WILD CAUGHT AQUARIUM FISH. GOOD OR BAD?

I've seen people saying wild caught fish are bad etc. I'm not convinced we have it perfect, but I do think education, research and discussion are all good things when forming an opinion on a subject. Here are a few links to read about what I'm talking about in this video. http://projectpiaba.org/what-we-do/objectives/ http://e360.yale.edu/features/how-aquaculture-is-threatening-the-native-fish-species-of-africa Sign up for our Deals Newsletter: http://eepurl.com/cH_pmb Our Website: http://www.aquariumcoop.com Support us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/aquariumcoop Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/aquariumcoop/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/aquariumcoop/ Filming equipment we use: Main Camera : Sony a6500 http://amzn.to/2hpl3Ls Travel Vlog Compact Camera : Sony RX100 V http://amzn.to/2yyRUV2 Underwater Camera : GoPro Hero5 http://amzn.to/2hq2WF6 Microphone : Video Rode Micro http://amzn.to/2hx4ocF Secondary Audio Capture : Tascam DR-05 http://amzn.to/2zEGcvu Lav Mic : Boya BY-M1 http://amzn.to/2zEZGQL Small Tripod : Gorilla Pod SLR ZOOM http://amzn.to/2iTe3qy Lightweight Tripod : Pedco UltraPod II Lightweight http://amzn.to/2hyljLP Favorite Versatile Mount : GoPro Jaws Flex Clamp http://amzn.to/2zFRGyL Main Gimbal : Zhiyun Crane-M http://amzn.to/2iTBYpM Phone Gimbal : Zhiyun Smooth Q http://amzn.to/2yzsXZE Big Drone : DJI Phantom 3 4k http://amzn.to/2zJ2wCf Compact Drone : DJI Mavic http://amzn.to/2hqSmhu Studio Equipment for live streams: 2 x Studio Microphone : Shure SM7B Vocal Dynamic http://amzn.to/2idDjIs 2 x Back Up Microphone : Blue Yeti http://amzn.to/2yzJugc 2 x Microphone Swivel Boom Arms : RODE PSA1 Swivel Mount Studio Boom Arm http://amzn.to/2iTC68K Audio Interface : Focusrite Scarlett 2i2 (2nd Gen) http://amzn.to/2yCl5qf Broadcast Software : Wirecast 8.0 Cory's 4K Webcam : Logitech BRIO http://amzn.to/2zEmQqg Jimmy's Webcam : Logitech C922 http://amzn.to/2iW1WZN

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I've seen people saying wild caught fish are bad etc. I'm not convinced we have it perfect, but I do think education, research and discussion are all good things when forming an opinion on a subject. Here are a few links to read about what I'm talking about in this video. http://projectpiaba.org/what-we-do/objectives/ http://e360.yale.edu/features/how-aquaculture-is-threatening-the-native-fish-species-of-africa Sign up for our Deals Newsletter: http://eepurl.com/cH_pmb Our Website: http://www.aquariumcoop.com Support us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/aquariumcoop Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/aquariumcoop/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/aquariumcoop/ Filming equipment we use: Main Camera : Sony a6500 http://amzn.to/2hpl3Ls Travel Vlog Compact Camera : Sony RX100 V http://amzn.to/2yyRUV2 Underwater Camera : GoPro Hero5 http://amzn.to/2hq2WF6 Microphone : Video Rode Micro http://amzn.to/2hx4ocF Secondary Audio Capture : Tascam DR-05 http://amzn.to/2zEGcvu Lav Mic : Boya BY-M1 http://amzn.to/2zEZGQL Small Tripod : Gorilla Pod SLR ZOOM http://amzn.to/2iTe3qy Lightweight Tripod : Pedco UltraPod II Lightweight http://amzn.to/2hyljLP Favorite Versatile Mount : GoPro Jaws Flex Clamp http://amzn.to/2zFRGyL Main Gimbal : Zhiyun Crane-M http://amzn.to/2iTBYpM Phone Gimbal : Zhiyun Smooth Q http://amzn.to/2yzsXZE Big Drone : DJI Phantom 3 4k http://amzn.to/2zJ2wCf Compact Drone : DJI Mavic http://amzn.to/2hqSmhu Studio Equipment for live streams: 2 x Studio Microphone : Shure SM7B Vocal Dynamic http://amzn.to/2idDjIs 2 x Back Up Microphone : Blue Yeti http://amzn.to/2yzJugc 2 x Microphone Swivel Boom Arms : RODE PSA1 Swivel Mount Studio Boom Arm http://amzn.to/2iTC68K Audio Interface : Focusrite Scarlett 2i2 (2nd Gen) http://amzn.to/2yCl5qf Broadcast Software : Wirecast 8.0 Cory's 4K Webcam : Logitech BRIO http://amzn.to/2zEmQqg Jimmy's Webcam : Logitech C922 http://amzn.to/2iW1WZN

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for WILD CAUGHT AQUARIUM FISH. GOOD OR BAD?

Aquarium Co-Op
Aquarium Co-Op - 6 years ago
Here is a longer form version of the topic if you'd like to dive into it deeper and get our perspective on it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWf4RsvVtgg
Scott Campbell
Scott Campbell - 6 years ago
I don’t think anyone can convince me to buy wild caught when there is a captive bread fish. Not because of the ethical issues but for the health of the fish.
Shelley G.
Shelley G. - 6 years ago
Very cool, short and sweet, but actually covered quite a bit of information! These are great
Backyard Expeditions
Backyard Expeditions - 6 years ago
Wild caught fish are a complicated issue. There are bad practices like blast fishing and cyanide. Good fishing practices should be congratulated. I think the Saltwater trade gets more flack, since it is mostly WC fish, over freshwater, but both have good and bad examples of WC fish.
I actually did a video about Lake Victoria and the Nile Perch, since I keep some Victoria cichlids. From what I found It was more of an colonial attitude European's had where they wanted a fishery the locals didn't need.
Monkey Nut
Monkey Nut - 6 years ago
Look at the puffa. Omg
Brandy Harrington
Brandy Harrington - 6 years ago
The one thing i would worry about which goes on everywhere... Is over fishing
Tom R
Tom R - 6 years ago
Thanks for putting that podcast that I listened to today in context. Like the guy who paid 350.000 dollars to shoot a Rhino that the South African Game authorities said was killing other Rhinos. Would it have been better if those authorities killed it for nothing? That is simply illogical. Peoples unchecked emotions can seriously economically damage the third world. The definition of indifference. Don't allow the sustainable harvest of African game, and their extinction will accelerate. Because corn will pay them more than the animals can. Jees how hard is that to understand. Strictly looking at other people around the world from one's own emotional perspective is ignorant.
Sprite the Bird
Sprite the Bird - 6 years ago
Betta splendids that are wild caught usually they are wild caught and then sold
David Laws
David Laws - 6 years ago
Just follow the money.

10. comment for WILD CAUGHT AQUARIUM FISH. GOOD OR BAD?

Stumack
Stumack - 6 years ago
If they dont catch away all of them i think its not a bad thing. Because to keep the industry up they have to keep the habitats healthy so there are always fish they can catch and sell.
MoreChannelNoise
MoreChannelNoise - 6 years ago
This guys work rate makes most people look super lazy!
For REAL
For REAL - 6 years ago
One of the things about getting wild caught fish is that we can keep endangered fish around and not totally lose them. And if an environment is temp. lost and then comes back then we have a captive group of fish all over the place to restock the wild with. There are a couple top minnows I would love to get but they are endangered and I am not allowed to have them which I think stinks to just cut everyone off but gov. I think there should be a way to get a certain amount of them every year or two to sell to people that want to breed them and raise them. Then we have a population that can have two uses. One is to repopulate the wild and the other is to sell to others and not have to touch the wild population in time. I know that there are some fish that we have in captive populations that are no longer found in the wild and NOT just due to being over harvested but environmental things wiped them out. Some of these fish we have because they have been bred in captive populations for years. And some we have a low wild population because of something bad going on in the environment but also have a decent captive population cause some were brought into the captive population and sold and raise. I think this is MUCH better than totally cutting people off from them completely.
Jared Hilgeneck
Jared Hilgeneck - 6 years ago
This is a wonderful idea! Just listened to the live stream, can't wait till next Thursday
Sam Pearce
Sam Pearce - 6 years ago
The only reason why I have wild caught fish is cause Redfin can not be purchased in shops in Australia
So I go down to the creek and catch some my self :P
Jess Wingler
Jess Wingler - 6 years ago
You brought up some things I hadn't considered before. I appreciate that, very much.
Ed's Fish
Ed's Fish - 6 years ago
So I wrote on here my stance on wild caught and it was longer than Corey's video without making the same points. Well done Aquarium Coop.
Stain less
Stain less - 6 years ago
Great topic! i was allways wondering about the pro's and cons of Wild caught
Rico Suave
Rico Suave - 6 years ago
deff buy wild caught fish if you can especially from project piaba
purplekitty
purplekitty - 6 years ago
Both sides can have their problems. It’s not like everything on the captive breed side is rainbows and sunshine. The most important thing is doing everything with as much respect, consideration, and responsibility possible.

20. comment for WILD CAUGHT AQUARIUM FISH. GOOD OR BAD?

Stephen del Mar
Stephen del Mar - 6 years ago
As you said, catching the wild fish in a sustainable manner that does not degrade the environment is the key thing. Good video.
VanillaSpoon
VanillaSpoon - 6 years ago
3 minute thursdays. G-E-N-I-U-S
Ezekel's fish tanks
Ezekel's fish tanks - 6 years ago
So close to 100k
Reece Gainsforth
Reece Gainsforth - 6 years ago
I have a 125 gallon would that be big enough for one of those puffers u have and how much are they and where can I get one
Aquarium Co-Op
Aquarium Co-Op - 6 years ago
A fahaka puffer would be better suited to a 125 gallon aquarium. Look for a local fish store to be able to order you one in.
Nicks Exotics
Nicks Exotics - 6 years ago
nice vid and when did the quality get so good
Aquarium Co-Op
Aquarium Co-Op - 6 years ago
We've had this camera for a bit now, but a back log in footage. So for a while footage will be different levels of "quality"
That Girl
That Girl - 6 years ago
Whats that giant fish in the back?
Aquarium Co-Op
Aquarium Co-Op - 6 years ago
Mbu Pufferfish
SC Aquatics
SC Aquatics - 6 years ago
Great information. Lead the way sir, we are following.
Lawyer Justice
Lawyer Justice - 6 years ago
Perfect timing I just got a trio of Hill streams from my LFS , and I know their probably wild caught
Darcy Nishi
Darcy Nishi - 6 years ago
Maybe this should be changed to 30 min. Thursday.
CL Roman
CL Roman - 6 years ago
Thank you, fast and out here, I love seeing Murphy.. glad you have him...

30. comment for WILD CAUGHT AQUARIUM FISH. GOOD OR BAD?

Jonathan Gutierrez
Jonathan Gutierrez - 6 years ago
I think wild caught: good or bad, is on a species by species basis. Some are way worse than others
Jonathan Gutierrez
Jonathan Gutierrez - 6 years ago
Aquarium Co-Op agreed, the quicker we get to that the better
Aquarium Co-Op
Aquarium Co-Op - 6 years ago
Definitely, some fish are caught sustain-ably currently others aren't. The goal being sustainability no matter how they are caught or farmed etc.
Bob Caylor
Bob Caylor - 6 years ago
Great science Cory. Thanks for the link.
n c
n c - 6 years ago
do one on pea puffers please
Lumpydog
Lumpydog - 6 years ago
Love the new 3:00 series idea. Keep it going. Cheers.
BasicFatKid
BasicFatKid - 6 years ago
I got two wild caught ropefish
Joseph Costa
Joseph Costa - 6 years ago
I don't feel you need touch on a subject that you will never convert the PETA minded people no matter what you say. Keep making the video and just know that some people are not going to like them.
Aquatic Life MS
Aquatic Life MS - 6 years ago
Awesome video!! Can't wait for more!
madcypress L.L.
madcypress L.L. - 6 years ago
Awesome bro
Max berenschot
Max berenschot - 6 years ago
So your argument is that if we stop collecting fish from the wild, all those people who previously do it will then automatically move on to more harmful industries? Do you have a study to back this up, or is this your hypothesis that also conveniently defends your purchases of wild caught fish?
Ian Pugh
Ian Pugh - 6 years ago
Its not just an argument. There are a few great scientific papers linked on the Project Piaba website that do an amazing job of explaining the socioeconomic status of the lands where these fish are caught.
Aquarium Co-Op
Aquarium Co-Op - 6 years ago
Did you go look at the links which have studied what happens when we stop buying wild fish?
Gaina
Gaina - 6 years ago
You did well to cover the ground you did in three minutes! I was really torn on wild v captive bred when I first entered the hobby but the one thing I've learned is the pros and cons are often species specific and it's a very complicated subject!
iggy the iguana
iggy the iguana - 6 years ago
wow murphy is bigger than I thought.
M & M
M & M - 6 years ago
I want to set up a planted aquarium with guppies and corydoras. What substrate should I use?
A C
A C - 6 years ago
Why all the false equivalence? Just argue your position about why wild caught fish is an acceptable practice. If we didn't allow X than Y would happen doesn't justify bad thing X just because Y is also bad.
paulus matusevicus
paulus matusevicus - 6 years ago
Pure logic: all of our aquarium fish come from the wild.
Island Queen
Island Queen - 6 years ago
I like this 3 min Thursday
video idea
Great topic today
Thanks so much for sharing
Russell Sumpter
Russell Sumpter - 6 years ago
Would it be ok to go out and catch a sun fish or blue gill and keep it for a pet?
Amanda Cradduck
Amanda Cradduck - 6 years ago
How did u introduce your wild caught puffer to the guppies that live with it??? I went to by a smaller puffer for my guppy tank a few days ago at my local pet store and they told me it would never work and the puffer would eat every guppy in there. They talked me out of it but I see you doing it... I'm very cutious!
KG cichlids
KG cichlids - 6 years ago
murphy is a big mbu puffer and it would be too hard for him to hunt guppies, why eat guppies when he has those epic clams to eat daily!
PaNdeM0niuM
PaNdeM0niuM - 6 years ago
I LOVE your puffer!
Generally random
Generally random - 6 years ago
It’s good that you are pointing out the long term effects of wild caught fish
Marcus Meade
Marcus Meade - 6 years ago
Absolutely Love the 3 Minute Thursday idea!! I love your video's but don't always have time for the half hour long seminars you throw lol!! i still love them, just cant watch as many as i would like!

50. comment for WILD CAUGHT AQUARIUM FISH. GOOD OR BAD?

KG cichlids
KG cichlids - 6 years ago
Great opinions on wild caught fish! I will say that in some places, Fish might have to be evacuated because of an invasive species so it can be repopulated. Many variables, lots of over fishing which gives people that want to actually help, a bad rap.
Mary Anne
Mary Anne - 6 years ago
How do I keep missing your live videos? Argh!
Annnnd.... You and Murphy are starting to look alike.... similar to that dog and their owners phenomenon ....JS LOL
scott chadwick
scott chadwick - 6 years ago
Nothing wrong with wild caught fish as long as over-harvesting is not done. It can also be a benefit for the remaining fish by keeping their numbers in check providing more food and nesting places for them.
Mimi's Aquatic Addiction
Mimi's Aquatic Addiction - 6 years ago
I totally agree! So glad you touched on this subject/controversy.
Cancertrain
Cancertrain - 6 years ago
Really liked this. For anyone interested in learning more about what happened to Lake Victoria, there's a documentary called Darwin's Nightmare about the subject.
Joseph Jefferies
Joseph Jefferies - 6 years ago
Love this video. Good teaching. Awesome!
The Fishy Life !
The Fishy Life ! - 6 years ago
Yeah let's be real , there's absolutely nothing wrong with collecting wild fish for the Aquarium hobby AS LONG AS SCIENCE SHOWS the fish species and numbers aren't threatened endangered or protected.....
C&H aquatics
C&H aquatics - 6 years ago
If there was no wild caught fish we wouldn't have fish at all in the hobby.....
V. Stag
V. Stag - 6 years ago
Awesome video Thanks for sharing #FishFam #NJAE18
V. Stag
V. Stag - 6 years ago
The Fish Nerd
The Fish Nerd - 6 years ago
P'watsup everybody!!! Great idea for 3 Minute Thursday! I appreciate the inspiration behind the idea. Wish I'd thought of it. ;)
The Fish Nerd
The Fish Nerd - 6 years ago
Another thing is that there are some species which are threatened by other environmental issues (industrialization, pollution, etc.) and will be wiped out regardless unless we can get them into the trade and start breeding them commercially.
Tom R
Tom R - 6 years ago
Greg Sage knows all about that.
bill boll
bill boll - 6 years ago
ive got some guppies i want to get rid off would you like them
WaterForest • Aquatics
WaterForest • Aquatics - 6 years ago
Nice video
Vincent Francis Ong
Vincent Francis Ong - 6 years ago
Hi cory, nice talk. By the way what is that plant on ur puffer tank?
Paul Mace
Paul Mace - 6 years ago
Interesting subject Cory! I live in the UK and I have no idea whether the fish in our LFS are wild caught or home bred?
KyloMeekthos aka FilthyCasual
KyloMeekthos aka FilthyCasual - 6 years ago
Im from minnesota where i grew up catching wild fish and eating them right from the lake at our cabin. mostly walleye and perch. We even catch our own minnows sometimes. I bring this up because i come from a tradition where we would basicly hunt and eat wild fish. but thats what wild fish are for FOOD. So i view wild caught fish in aquariums as a way to preserve a fish species natural colorations and a form of domestication. PPl forget everyone has different views on whats appropriate in our hobby as fishkeepers. I was Catching, killing, skinning and eating wild fish long before i kept them. So keeping them in a tank that is set up to keep them healthy and alive is a good alternative for that fish in my oppinion.
Bárbara R
Bárbara R - 6 years ago
yeah but... we talking about cardinal tetras and tiny fish, who the hell would go to the river and fish cardinals to eat? like... cardinal soup? the problem goes beyong what are you going to do with the fish, is the amount of fish taken. You have a river, okey, you fish, okey, you et, dunno, 100 fish a year, okey np. But what happen when there are 45 thousand hands taking fish from the same river? the fish go poof And then there is no more fish for anybody.
Penguin Dude
Penguin Dude - 6 years ago
I took your advice on the white clouds and I bought 5 for my 10 gallon tank and they are so pretty and make a great addition they didn't have any gold white clouds so I got the regular ones
Sum Fins Fishy
Sum Fins Fishy - 6 years ago
Right! If us the hobbiest learn more and take better care of the fish then maybe some of those species won't become totally extinct! The world is always changing and sometimes it's out of our control but at least we can try to conserve some of the wild life. ❤❤
Melissa Berry
Melissa Berry - 6 years ago
Murphy is sooo freaking adorable!! I couldn't take my eyes off him! I'm sorry Corry....did you say something?
The Fish Life
The Fish Life - 6 years ago
Great video
Brennen Fish N Shrimp
Brennen Fish N Shrimp - 6 years ago
These are some good reasons. Thank you for doing this.
Augusto Castaneda
Augusto Castaneda - 6 years ago
Tough subject to keep under 3 min. Maybe you can revisit it in a podcast/livestream. Keep up the great work!
MPWALL
MPWALL - 6 years ago
Morally IMO it’s no different than catching lions or elephants in the wild and putting them in zoo’s As far as proving employment that doesn’t wash with me. Does poaching elephant tusks accomplish the same employment thing? It helps sustain a species by breeding programs, we wouldn’t need to if responsible governments took care of their resources, so it needs to be addressed at that level.
I’m glad the only fish I have bought so far were bred internally. I make a point of asking. Though I haven’t bought a lot I always ask. There’s a guy on you tube, he caught a small mouth bass with a hook and sinker, and put it in his tank at home. The thing is all by itself. I mean really
I’m not trying to start a moral debate, just my take on it, and I like my position and feel good about it
Ian Pugh
Ian Pugh - 6 years ago
Here is the difference.
1) Lions (and most mammals) don't reproduce in clutches of hundreds like many fish species do, so taking one out of the wild has a much greater effect than taking even thousands of Cardinal Tetras from the flooded forests near the Rio Negro.

2) I can't think of any hobby fish that is caught with a hook. Going back to the Cardinal Tetras, they are collected from puddles that would otherwise dry up, and every fish would be dead. Is is ok to let all of those fish die when we can give them a chance at a significantly longer life?

3) The aquarium hobby has saved a good few species from extinction. The Zebra Pleco is one. I highly recommend reading on it.

4) Finally, from a perspective of a Environmental Scientist, and animal will almost always live a better life in captivity than in the wild, when appropriately kept (I say this because someone will bring up Sea World). "The Life of Pi" says this much better than I can.

"“Well-meaning but misinformed people think animals in the wild are “happy” because they are “free”. These people usually have a large, handsome predator in mind…The life of the wild animal is simple, noble and meaningful, they imagine. Then it is captured by wicked men and thrown into tiny jails. Its “happiness” is dashed. It yearns mightily for “freedom” and does all it can to escape. Being denied its “freedom” for too long, the animal becomes a shadow of itself, its spirit broken. So some people imagine.
This is not the way it is.

Animals in the wild lead lives of compulsion and necessity within an unforgiving social hierarchy in an environment where the supply of fear is high and the supply of food is low and where territory must constantly be defended and parasites forever endured..."
Mountainman Aquatics
Mountainman Aquatics - 6 years ago
Fantastic short and sweet
the bearded fish keeper
the bearded fish keeper - 6 years ago
Dig the format quick informational to the point
CJ Black
CJ Black - 6 years ago
I'm glad you addressed this topic and I intend to look up the organization you suggested to become more educated. Right now, admittedly without researching, my thought is that many species which exist in the wild today will only exist in the aquarium hobby in the near future - where that it true, hobbyists are actually conservationists. I think loss of habitat is much more of a threat to wild populations than overcollecting. While industrialized nations have the option and responsibility of conserving their own native wildlife, many of the places in the world where fish are collected are 'subsistence' communities without the opportunity to choose among hundreds of options of how to survive. Guiding collection tours and collecting for sale are valid industries in those areas. Just my 2 cents.
Barbara Jackson
Barbara Jackson - 6 years ago
Yep, I read somewhere that in the USA in colonial times it was said a squirrel could go from the east coast to the great lakes without touching the ground once. We've been there, done that.
CJ Black
CJ Black - 6 years ago
@Northie - Exactly!
Northie
Northie - 6 years ago
Also let's not forget that industrialized nations are already in "been there, done that" situation. It's easy to call out to developing countries demanding preservation when your quality of life is already ensured. Usually as a result of habitat loss. I use Eurasian wolves and forests as an example. Both have already bowed to industrialization - there aren't really that many pieces of old forests left here. Eurasian wolf has been hunted to extinction in many places (though they are recovering).

What right do we have to demand African and South American countries to stop the heavy industrialization when we have already done so ourselves.
CA Pearson
CA Pearson - 6 years ago
Cory, you look better without the beard. PS: I don't have a problem with wild caught because we can't guarantee that their ecosystem of origin will always be there. It's like an insurance system in conservation.
fishead 2925
fishead 2925 - 6 years ago
Great video and info, I love the idea for 3 minute thursday. Thank for the video.
James Floyd
James Floyd - 6 years ago
I completely agree with your comments.
Mrs. Wiggles Wiggles
Mrs. Wiggles Wiggles - 6 years ago
that was crazy, that was crzy too much info for 3:00.
Dimas Fish Diary
Dimas Fish Diary - 6 years ago
I agree with that. In my video, Minister of Maritime Affairs and Fisheries, Miss Susi Pudjiastuti said that We should limit the wild catch so the fish will not depleted and stop catching the wild fish with explosive and poison. That's what happen right now in Indonesia especially on the Ocean.
Jarl Swigart
Jarl Swigart - 6 years ago
Not trying to complain about getting more content if it's in addition to your other longer stuff, but I prefer the longer duration videos. I started watching your channel because it doesn't try to cram everything into such a short period of time. I like that you actually take the time to explain things and answer questions more thoroughly.
cat caty
cat caty - 6 years ago
Saving fish that are going extinct beacuse of habitat destruction is also good. I thought that there is several fish that are ONLY captive raised now, as there are no wild habitats for them to live in anymore.
Tazawa Tanks
Tazawa Tanks - 6 years ago
Very informative. Thank you
United Tanks of America
United Tanks of America - 6 years ago
You bring up valid points Cory, habitat destruction and pollution of waterways in various ways from excess nitrogens, pesticides or herbicides to chemical wastes ect... is causing far more damage than the collection of species. The habitat destruction translates to less fish then coupled with unregulated harvesting that can cause the endemic populations of species to dwindle. I agree with a regulated method that is enforced and to teach collection agents to use sustainable practices is the better option. You as an aquatic business owner know that consumers want the cheapest price possible and many species are not commercially bred at all or they are not bred in high enough numbers to keep the prices as low as we have come to expect. I have been passionate about aquatics and nature preservation in general basically since I was a child and I understand why some people are so adamant about this issue but they often don't truly know all the facts and repercussions of certain actions. They say as you said NO WILD caught but as you stated the people of these regions of the world still must feed and clothe their family and will be forced to find other ways to do that that can be even more harmful to the habitat. Good Points On A Serious Subject.
Award Aquarium
Award Aquarium - 6 years ago
No doubt having industry that requires the natural resources to stay healthy, will promote the natural resources. Just look at what Weyerhaeuser has done for the Timber industry and preserving the forest. Personally I like captive raised fish because I think they are easier to care for. For example, good luck getting Oto Cats to eat store bought food. We just need to be responsible, not overfish, and take good care of the fish after we have caught them. Also it is important to build a good community of fish keepers to promote best practices, and help the newbies not kill fish.
COOPER'S CICHILDS
COOPER'S CICHILDS - 6 years ago
Cool
Adam Till from Arctic Lights Aquatics
Adam Till from Arctic Lights Aquatics - 6 years ago
Interesting format experiment, but you seemed like you were rushing to fit all your thoughts under 3 mins.
Anders Friman
Anders Friman - 6 years ago
Using the fish to create jobs is way wrong I think. It must hurt the fish natural survival wich is much more important. The could license the import and Only have few people That import wild fish and then breed them to sell. Small Numbers of wild fish. And fish That wont breed in our aquariums should stay in the wild. Good topic and great channel. Love That a guy selling fish for a living dares talk about this subject. Shows a big commitement Even if I dont agree on this Wild fish matter ;)
SGrayMe
SGrayMe - 6 years ago
Might want to revisit this subject when you can do more than a 3 minute segment. You hit some relevant points, but the lack of depth makes this feel more like "preaching to the choir" than explaining (or convincing) much. I'm glad you're willing to touch on this subject though. As with many other areas of interest, including keeping of other animal types, a lot of people don't really think about where supply starts at.
Barbara Jackson
Barbara Jackson - 6 years ago
Check the pinned post at the top, there's a link to a more in depth video.
Adarsh ss
Adarsh ss - 6 years ago
The demand for Roseline shark is causing them to disappear from their natural habitat.
Aquarium Co-Op
Aquarium Co-Op - 6 years ago
I would say the demand was. I haven’t even seen a wild caught rose line for sale on a list in the last 6 years. Now they are captively farmed and so much cheaper than wild caught.
Bantam Cichlids
Bantam Cichlids - 6 years ago
Back in the 90's if you even whispered wild caught on reef central they would lambaste you, they had visions of guys in dive suites with syringes floating around coral heads stunning fish to be caught for the trade. Those fish would stay emaciated and eventually die in the aquarium. This is also where I believe the UL rating argument started, there is a company today who's early offerings where not UL rated and if you even mentioned the name it would burn the forum down. I think those new to the hobby have just parroted things they've heard without knowing the whole deal. A lot has changed for the better in both cases.
Tyler
Tyler - 6 years ago
this is a good idea but man i bet it's super hard for you cory to only talk for 3 mins :P that is because you know a lot not saying your a blabber mouth :P
Aquariums Anonymous
Aquariums Anonymous - 6 years ago
Good idea to throw out a different type of video, All I want for Christmas is for the Co-op to hit 100k! :)
DPBradley
DPBradley - 6 years ago
There is a place in the hobby for both tank raised (aqua cultured) fish
Freddy Ferginho
Freddy Ferginho - 6 years ago
Sustainability is the key word here. If economic dependency means that people become educated and interested about what's in their local water and that leads to conservation then maybe sacrificing 2-3% is the reluctant price to pay to protect the other 97/98%.

That said, I dislike the thought of any animal suffering for human vanity, which is why your 'Wild Fish Unboxing' video didn't sit well with me.
Danny's Aquariums
Danny's Aquariums - 6 years ago
Great video again Cory!
Keep up the good work and thumbs up!
Austin Conaway
Austin Conaway - 6 years ago
I’m beyond excited to see the journey to Peru to harvest wild caught rainbows!
Richard James
Richard James - 6 years ago
Austin Conaway I know that he'll be collecting fish in peru. I'm just not sure if there are any rainbowfish native to there.
Austin Conaway
Austin Conaway - 6 years ago
Richard James that’s what he’s going to Peru to do.
Richard James
Richard James - 6 years ago
Austin Conaway do they even exist in peru?
Cyprian
Cyprian - 6 years ago
I don't see anything wrong with wild caught fish as long as it is done responsibly. If the species is thriving in the wild, the caught fish are transported and cared for responsibly, and jobs are created in the process then there is nothing wrong with it.
I do think breeding the fish in captivity is a goal. Some wild caught fish don't do well in tanks, while their tank raised counterparts thrive.
I had wild rummey nose tetras that died after a week. They were afraid of me and wouldn't eat, and the water was just different enough from their natural habitat that it causes them to suffer.
My tank raised rummey nose on the other hand were active and healthy and eating after the first day. They swim to the top when I approach the tank, and they will even follow my hand.
If a fish can be tank raised, it is better for the fish and for people in the long run. But first, they need to come from the wild in a safe respectful way.
It's the same as harvesting trees. Either you can destroy whole forests, or you can select cut the trees and plant more and make the forest stronger.

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WorldOfAnimals EN
WorldOfAnimals EN - 6 years ago
Thank you for this video. I think it is really important to explain this topic to as many people as possible!
Old School Fish Guy
Old School Fish Guy - 6 years ago
LOL In the "Old School Days" "Wild Caught" was considered the best, unless you wanted fish that had been carefully bred for certain traits.
Old School Fish Guy
Old School Fish Guy - 6 years ago
True but in the old days, they were all expensive LOL
Richard James
Richard James - 6 years ago
Old School Fish Guy still wc fish generally costs more than captive bred, especially if you go the ca sa cichlids route, that also applies for Tanganyikan cichlids
Cathy B
Cathy B - 6 years ago
you are absolutely right. more us need to adopt a species and learn how to care and breed for them before they're gone do habitat distruction or climate change. IMHO that's the only way some species will survive.
Bárbara R
Bárbara R - 6 years ago
If those wild caugh species were to end with informed ppl, fish ppl, then yeah sure. That's not reality. Those same neon tetras i see in the store that came from a river somewere are going to go to any human that wants them, and they will die or not depending if they were lucky enough to get an owner that knows about fish.
Scowling Wolf
Scowling Wolf - 6 years ago
murphy xxx
Victor Gonzalez
Victor Gonzalez - 6 years ago
LOL nice Peter Mckinnon style segment. I also enjoyed seeing the puffer in the background. He looked those people who photo bomb journalist while they are reporting.
the bearded fish keeper
the bearded fish keeper - 6 years ago
Victor Gonzalez was going to say the same thing
Michael Tette
Michael Tette - 6 years ago
When sustainably harvested and/ or caught with the intentions of captive breeding Im all in. I prefer the latter! Thanks all for weighing. Cory good luck with your Peru prep!
Casey Moen
Casey Moen - 6 years ago
Great idea Cory! Three minute Thursday...
AquariumCop
AquariumCop - 6 years ago
awesome!
Anthony Romano
Anthony Romano - 6 years ago
Gonna be a good series. Thanks.
Leesuh Oliverha
Leesuh Oliverha - 6 years ago
Palm oil is horrible in so many ways
Richard James
Richard James - 6 years ago
Leesuh Oliverha rip english
NiX aKi
NiX aKi - 6 years ago
I like this new concept
Youngmanandthelake
Youngmanandthelake - 6 years ago
So, fair to say that you're fine with trophy hunting bull elephants? I agree with how you've laid this out. Finding ways to monetize conservation has been the hallmark of the North American model of conservation, which in general works well. Yes, we have things like preserves, large national parks, and other protected areas, but almost any conservation, on a private land scale, is based on the sale of sporting goods. I see no issue with conservation tourism, and sustainable harvest as incentives for other populations to make sure those resources remain intact, but the absence of regulating bodies in many of the south American or African nations can be... problematic.

It's a damned if you do, damned if you don't approach, in my opinion. Until we are willing, as an international community, to preserve biodiversity through habitat preservation and restoration WHERE IT DOESNT MAKE FISCAL SENSE, we're going to need to find novel ways of incentivizing local communities to make sure they don't over harvest. I admit I don't know enough about the aquarium trade on a supplier basis to say what is best (and I trust that you, Corey, are far more educated about it), but I have to presume that paying for wild fish is worth it.

What scares me, however, is when the habitat IS getting endangered, and the resource IS becoming scarce. Suddenly, when those Cardinal tetras are getting rare, what happens? The price goes up, presumably. People in the trade hear there's a scarcity, which often drives up demand. More people try to find the fish, because of the lucrative nature of selling a fish going extinct. We need to get ahead of this through habitat preservation, but the mechanism for doing that work is often... hard to track down.

Good video, thanks for sharing your opinions.
Witchy Art
Witchy Art - 6 years ago
Ian Pugh That is very true.
Glad to know that everyone cares so much about animals
Ian Pugh
Ian Pugh - 6 years ago
As an Environmental Scientist, both are extremely important in our conservation work. I always say Conservation is one of the hardest jobs because not every animal can live a perfect life if we want to save it's entire species.
Witchy Art
Witchy Art - 6 years ago
Youngmanandthelake Thanks for elaborating
Youngmanandthelake
Youngmanandthelake - 6 years ago
I recognize they may seem disjointed, but they're very closely related when considering broader conservation goals. Although I regret that my opening salvo was in regard to bull elephant hunting, there is a strong argument (at least in my opinion) for trophy hunting that is very similar to Corey's argument FOR wild caught fish. Bull elephant hunting is, right now, a hotly contested topic in the US and broader international dialogue. From a conservation standpoint, sanctioned trophy hunts go a long way in providing necessary funding and income sources to local populations to incentivize keeping elephants around. There are preserves in Africa that permit bull elephant hunts, which tends not to impact broader populations, or impact the depth of the gene pool, as targeted bulls tend to be older, and have undoubtedly had opportunity to contribute their genes towards the larger herd. These hunts bring in hundreds of thousands of dollars annually to places that often have few other industries in the area. Although unpalatable to a large group of the population, if regulated well, it keeps elephants around by ensuring local populations receive money, dependably, for their robust elephant populations.

It isn't hard to connect the lines in my argument. Hunting elephants is unpalatable to many, but has a direct and positive impact on broader conservation goals for species and habitat conservation, when performed properly in line with population projections. Collecting wild caught fish for the aquarium trade incentivizes local populations to keep these fish around, provided it is performed in line with population trends. If your family makes its living off a fish it collects, to sell, it's more likely you'll oppose efforts to damage the sustainability of your enterprise. Replace "fish" with "bull elephants" and the argument is the same.
Witchy Art
Witchy Art - 6 years ago
Since when did Cory mention anything about trophy hunting Bull Elephants? Thats a completely unrelated topic...
As for cardinal tetras, it depends on the place you purchase them from. CB cardinals range from cheap to expensive, like a lot of fish. It just depends on where you choose to buy them.
Not trying to hate or anything lol
MPWALL
MPWALL - 6 years ago
Youngmanandthelake that was so well presented.Thumbs up here.
NYGOLD
NYGOLD - 6 years ago
It's a natural resource and the program to replace and or replenish the resource has to be equal or bigger than what you are taking. Right now I'm not convinced there are proper measures in place for replenishment, monitoring, or protection. The area's that most of these fish are collected are notorious for corruption. If we have it here and are breeding it here I feel there is no need to take more.
Bárbara R
Bárbara R - 6 years ago
we are humans the gods of inbreeding species lol. Besides, we have thousands of fish everywere, the genetic pool is big enough, the real problem is lazy ppl that don't want to waste time and effort in breeding the fish when they can just pay some miserable coin to someone else so they catch them and bag them. Is free money. That's why they do it.
boabab95
boabab95 - 6 years ago
Inbreeding would also be much less of a problem -but not totally avoidable- if they were bred more strategically, instead of en masse in heavily stocked ponds (not that I'm against that) or based on whether it's "pretty" or not. THAT is why there is such a big inbreeding problem with some species; not because there isn't a big enough gene pool, but because they aren't bred for genetic variability.

Now with that said, I'm not against wild caught (as long as it's done humanely, responsibly, and sustainably) as it does help preserve the forests. Given enough generations, you're also going to need to introduce new bloodlines into captive populations, but it won't be in the sheer number exported currently.
NYGOLD
NYGOLD - 6 years ago
That's if there is only one breeder in the entire country.  If you were breeding just say Angelfish you wouldn't have to get wild fish for better genes you would just need to find another breeder, trade stock or buy some.
envoirment
envoirment - 6 years ago
There is one problem with that - and that's inbreeding. Generally speaking, you'll need to bring in wild caught specimens to breed and "replenish" the gene pool of fish that are extensively and rigorously bred. So you will need to take more from time to time, but a lot less than originally needed to set up a big enough breeding population for the hobby.
MoreChannelNoise
MoreChannelNoise - 6 years ago
Things are rarely black and white so I am only 60% against :)
Next topic my vote is, genetically modified fish like glow fish.
Also when you get your bagged fish do you "pop & drop" or slowly aclimatize temp and ph? Some say there will be amonia in the bag so get em out quick and don't stress em more.
Robert Fletcher
Robert Fletcher - 6 years ago
Cory can you do something on best fish for open top tanks. I find the LFS, certainly in the UK and the ‘Internet’, is far from helpful. With Aquascaping more people are using open to tanks. It makes it harder if you want a community tank. Every thing on plants but nothing on fish.
Down the Worm Hole
Down the Worm Hole - 6 years ago
cool, I like the idea. gotta love questions that have no right answer for sure!
The Bearded Aquarium Kings
The Bearded Aquarium Kings - 6 years ago
Great 3 mins bud love your content!
asif hussain
asif hussain - 6 years ago
Awesome 3 minutes Cory. Can you please do something on lowering nitrates. Mine are super high even though I tried big water changes twice a week they still are at 80 atleast
FalconDive 7
FalconDive 7 - 6 years ago
And how do not have millions of subs?
Mithras
Mithras - 6 years ago
Arhh i see now, there are different perspectives on this subject!
MyHecticLifePets
MyHecticLifePets - 6 years ago
And Murphy steals the show
Tom R
Tom R - 6 years ago
Always.
Tina Longley
Tina Longley - 6 years ago
OMG Cory, Murphy got sooooo big & long!:) But U know what's really, really funny...he was being so extra by hanging out just over your right shoulder the whole time while U were speaking hehe!;) Oh & also I really, really need more turtle action...please do a turtle video soon, pretty please w/sugar on top!;)
Janie2Shoes
Janie2Shoes - 6 years ago
I am sorry But all I thought about was Murphy !!! What a character !!
LittleLargeMouth
LittleLargeMouth - 6 years ago
Murphy and the crypt he hovers over are beauties. Your store is definitely on my list of places to visit if I’m ever in Seattle
Sharps big toe
Sharps big toe - 6 years ago
Good, especially when they’re going to places with top end breeders, than they breed captive bred and than less fish need to be caught
Susan for SLC Aquatics
Susan for SLC Aquatics - 6 years ago
Great three minute video!!!
Davytjuhh
Davytjuhh - 6 years ago
Can I keep 2 pearl gourami's in a 80 cm aquarium? (thats about 42 gallon?) Also, is it possible to keep little rainbowfish in a 42 gallon aquarium? Intresting video btw, I also am for wild caught fish.
Daddy Tankee
Daddy Tankee - 6 years ago
I catch Flag fish, Blue fin killifish, least killifish, sail fin mollys, jewel chiclids and more, all the time out of puddles... Puddles that will dry. So I am saving their lives. Swfl problems
Bárbara R
Bárbara R - 6 years ago
we tend to think that's a waste, and is hard, but is not really a waste. Nature is very wise. That dead puddle fish could be food for other animals, that dead puddle fish could be the only natural predator of the specie and the only thing keeping the balance in that ecosistem. I know is hard to understand, but truly, in nature (unlike us) everything has a propose.
Sam Melyanets
Sam Melyanets - 6 years ago
ZeethK92
ZeethK92
ZeethK92 - 6 years ago
Daddy Tankee wish I could collect stuff like that. All we have are game fish .
Daddy Tankee
Daddy Tankee - 6 years ago
South West Florida 30 min from the everglades.
ZeethK92
ZeethK92 - 6 years ago
Daddy Tankee where do you live that u find can that stuff?
mukhlisz
mukhlisz - 6 years ago
sorry but when you have Murphy behind you it's kinda hard to pay attention to what you're saying haha
Dali Vigil
Dali Vigil - 6 years ago
It’s more of a moral issue depending on the persons believes no matter what good or bad it does some people won’t change their minds. I personally am ok with wild caught up to a point where they start breeding and as long as they don’t go extinct in the wild so hopefully someone is monitoring that.
Manny Caroleo
Manny Caroleo - 6 years ago
As long as they aren’t over harvested, I don’t see an issue, thanks for the video and all your excellent videos
Sean Ford
Sean Ford - 6 years ago
It is not the Nile tilapia it is nile perch and they are huge.
hahayourfunny94
hahayourfunny94 - 6 years ago
Sean Ford if you werent paying attention he wrote that in and corrected himself.

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