C to C Kayak Roll Identifier

The C to C kayak roll is commonly known as the hip snap or hip flick roll. This sequence will help you understand which roll you are doing and define the movement that is required to get the most our of the popular roll.

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The C to C kayak roll is commonly known as the hip snap or hip flick roll. This sequence will help you understand which roll you are doing and define the movement that is required to get the most our of the popular roll.

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ぬめぬめハンカチ
ぬめぬめハンカチ - 7 years ago
Thank`s!
Bruno Bronosky
Bruno Bronosky - 7 years ago
I learned to roll at night alone in my pool. I understand the fear. I bought a dive mask to start learning. It helps to not worry about water in your nose. I now have nose plugs tethered to my helmet. I also practice without them so I'm ready for anything. The thing I keep posting is "Watch your blade throughout!" It made all the difference in the world to me! See my "kayak rolls day 2" video.
Bruno Bronosky
Bruno Bronosky - 7 years ago
Suzie, trying to watch your paddle blade the whole time during your hip snap and stroke. It will force your head and vertebrae into the right motion. When I started doing that it was like magic. I started rolling the day I got my kayak. Before I learned that trick I had 3 hours for terrifying failures alone in my pool.
iviewthetube
iviewthetube - 7 years ago
I used this video to help me do my first roll in a sea kayak today. Though my first roll was not as pretty as this ones. Physics-wise this seems to be a very efficient method.
monsproduction
monsproduction - 8 years ago
I know it as "normal roll"
david richardson
david richardson - 8 years ago
Is that a real person
MrBojangles431
MrBojangles431 - 9 years ago
These are great videos speusa and a valuable tool I point my students towards before we go to the pool. I wonder if you would be willing to post a video dedicated to the hand roll. I know you demonstrate a hybrid hand roll in you last video in the series but a video specifically addressing the techniques for a basic hand roll would help out some of my students.
Chiloe Spelius
Chiloe Spelius - 10 years ago
OH yes that is the comment of the day. IF the opposite knee does engage during the recovery it is the kiss of death. That is one of the most common reasons for roll failure.
David Peters
David Peters - 10 years ago
@n1ck3o7 It looked like he was preventing her from jabbing him in the gut! I'm sure his assistant is a good paddler.

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Chiloe Spelius
Chiloe Spelius - 10 years ago
Yes stick with your chosen one first. I suggest for a touring kayak the twist and slice roll or the back deck sweep. You go through that motion and it will work. Chris
theGnarlz
theGnarlz - 10 years ago
rolling a kayak is just so easy...
Chiloe Spelius
Chiloe Spelius - 10 years ago
Hey I think the twist and slice is the best for the sea kayak and you. It does not require super thigh hook outfitting and with your limited flexibility I would give it a try.
Chiloe Spelius
Chiloe Spelius - 10 years ago
@suziedundas If you can be very careful to stack the vertebrae as in the lower ones first up to the tippy top of the head which should be absolute last. The other thing is to not sit up by engaging your other knee on the opposite side of the kayak to get you up. That will instantly bring the boat over on top of you again as you fall into the water. Lastly I have never met a person that is oddly proportioned enough to make the roll fail. I think it is your technique. Flexibility is key.
Suzie Dundas
Suzie Dundas - 10 years ago
I recently started learning how to do this, but I think a problem I'm having is that I have a heavy and long torso and short little legs (I'm a girl) so those last few degrees to sit up are really hard. Any advice? I almost get it, and I think I'm up, and then the weight of my torso brings me back down. I'm not a big person, just oddly proportioned. Thanks!
Suzie Dundas
Suzie Dundas - 10 years ago
I recenly started learning how to do this, but I think a problem I'm having is that I have a heavy and long torso and short little legs (I'm a girl) so those last few degrees to sit up are really hard. Any advice? I almost get it, and I think I'm up, and then the weight of my torso brings me back down. I'm not a big person, just oddly proportioned. Thanks!
Lasse Korsholm
Lasse Korsholm - 10 years ago
@trikstadude3 When i learnt how to do the C to C kayak roll (BTW, thats the easiest one in my opinion) i started by rolling upside down. Laying in the water ready to bail out of the kayal and just see that, theres no reason to panic. You can stay down there for a real long time.
Chiloe Spelius
Chiloe Spelius - 10 years ago
Hahh,,,,,,,make sure you can hold your breath and tap the bottom of your kayak for 10 second to 20 seconds first. Have your instructor lift you up. Always have something to focus ( the plan of action) on so your mind can not go nuts. Remember you are not the lone ranger. May feel a little wierd when they first go under. Stay focused.
trikstadude3
trikstadude3 - 10 years ago
For someone who has kayaked before but not rolled, (ala, me :) ) can you give me any tips for rolling ? I can see myself panicking under water when we do this on monday. Help me calm down ? ? ? D:
1cingSugar
1cingSugar - 11 years ago
@girbedancin blow air out though your nose.

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Johnjohn
Johnjohn - 11 years ago
Thanks for the vids. What brand and model yak do you like to use for big open water where takling good sized surf and having good speed and tracking on the open water is paramount? I've looked at surfskis, but I don't feel I'm at that level yet and their pricey, so kinda looking for a in between of performance and price(trying to keep it about $1500). My local place recommends eddyline(they primarily sell them) but I don't want to just get one places suggestions. Thanks for the info.
Chiloe Spelius
Chiloe Spelius - 11 years ago
If I could really see the potential movement available in your wrist I could recommend which roll would be best. I agree left arm forward. A conventional sweep with hip snap might be the best in your case is what I am thinking. Thanks for the nice comments. chris
Chiloe Spelius
Chiloe Spelius - 11 years ago
Well the older boats.......I think it is tough to go back to them. The thing that I did like about them was that they had some speed that you could use in the bigger water in getting around. But I think in general I feel more free and agile in the newer boats....but to a point....in the big water of the Futaleufu when we are not playing we tend to go with Diesels and Remixes. In the middle of the Throne or Zeta the advantages of a little play boat but are not likely to be used.
cheskybaba
cheskybaba - 11 years ago
Thanks for the reply Chris. No I can't rotate the wrist over -right arm (was a terrible waiter). My left arm will be my forward arm. I'll try all the rolls. Chris - I saw that Niagara footage about two years ago and couldn't believe it - now I can't believe I'm talking to you. How do the older boats compare to todays? They seem more stable in the waves.
Chiloe Spelius
Chiloe Spelius - 11 years ago
ches, can you rotate the wrist and hand back as if you are holding a small plate in the palm of your hand. If you can do that you could easyly have the inside hand on the sweep be your right control hand on the twist and slice roll. it is just controlling the angle of the blade...it lets all resistance or force go. The force is created by your torso.
cheskybaba
cheskybaba - 11 years ago
Thanks for replying Chris. My right arm has limited mobility and strength. Can't fully extend it or rotate my wrist over, that's about the most limiting movement. I've been trying with friends, but I'll take a professional class too. Would love to get to Chile and run the stuff you do one day. I hope you'll still be kayaking then.
Chiloe Spelius
Chiloe Spelius - 11 years ago
can make a difference but usually if your techniqe is right the kayak is not stopping you from coming up.
Chiloe Spelius
Chiloe Spelius - 11 years ago
Hmmm I would like to know more about the use of the arm that you have...how limited.....but remember in many of these rolls the arms are just an extension or a connection to the moving torso so you to not have to create much force from the arms............I would think the twist and slice or the back deck sweep roll might be the best for your situation. We do have roll classes in Patagonia if you ever make it that way. Thanks for the comment. OH if you have a very short torso then the boat
cheskybaba
cheskybaba - 11 years ago
I'm new to kayaking. I have a LL Jefe - is this a difficult boat to roll because of its high lg. volume bow? I have a birth defect in one arm and will most likely only roll on one side - what would be the easiest roll, in your opinion, that doesn't use much arm strength? Thanks for the videos, wish I could take a class with you.
Chiloe Spelius
Chiloe Spelius - 11 years ago
Techno, Thanks for the comments. Are you doing a twist and slice type of roll or are you rotating with in the hip snap or what we call the C to C motion? ( C to C is what the upper body does to allow the hips to snap to their fullest) chris

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TechnoEngineer
TechnoEngineer - 11 years ago
Rather than "dink" the head I prefer to rotate the body - going from facing up towards the surface (at set up) to facing down during the recovery.
TheDuckOfOz
TheDuckOfOz - 11 years ago
Great video! The clearest one i could find by far. Hopefully i will be able to learn this fast. Thank you
Chiloe Spelius
Chiloe Spelius - 11 years ago
Thanks for the commment. Ineresting way to look at it. Their are lots of ways to look at it actually. I tend to foucus on (for beginners ) what their core and their spine needs to do ...RELATIVE to the kayak ...not relative to the surface .....up or down. Once they have that movement down...then I bring in other perspectives.
Chiloe Spelius
Chiloe Spelius - 11 years ago
Yes everyone is different...and depending on your body type you may find your body more able to do one of the rolls more than the other.......but the overwhelming reason for roll failure is technique ( like pulling your head up to soon) not body flexibility. But C to C requires major flexiblity. chris
Chiloe Spelius
Chiloe Spelius - 11 years ago
Yes we are working on the hand roll video chris
Brian Phillips
Brian Phillips - 11 years ago
took my first lesson today. I was being taught to roll upright without using the paddle. do ya have a video on that type of roll up ? it somewhat reminds me of the one ya call C to C !
ta338012
ta338012 - 11 years ago
Really good video. The first C position is incredibly awkward to me . . . look at the position of her arm at :55; it almost covers up her face. The sweep seems so much simpler to me, but I realize everyone is different.
reingelegt
reingelegt - 11 years ago
very wet shorty good quality
Chiloe Spelius
Chiloe Spelius - 11 years ago
yes it could be. take a look at the back deck roll......which is a little more of a standup position. Also take a look at the twist and slice roll.
Chiloe Spelius
Chiloe Spelius - 11 years ago
Now you are getting it. Now it is hard to do that because it is counterintuitive in the water but that is what you want to do. chris
Chiloe Spelius
Chiloe Spelius - 11 years ago
I hope it serves you well. Thanks for the thanks chris
Scott Hodge
Scott Hodge - 11 years ago
After a short bit of practice at keeping my body and head in the water for as long as possible I did the roll in the pool a few weeks back, then confidently in the lake last week all thanks to this video! Thanks very much!
David Jenkins
David Jenkins - 11 years ago
thanks so much for these videos, i can roll my new play boat now and am looking forward to running little river canyon. Again, thank you, i have been very sick of being the only one on a sit on top kayak when we go down the river.
Chiloe Spelius
Chiloe Spelius - 11 years ago
Hahhh....you are right You should go smoothly but agressively. Do that on the dry land and you will feel the knee and the waist muscle come into play( what is usually described as hips) Their is one reason why over time have left the term "hip snap" because it is not descriptive enough. Though at times it works. I am asking to drive your hips up as you drive your head down. ( the c to c action) IT IS WAY more than just a hip snap in a sense it is the entire spine.
Chiloe Spelius
Chiloe Spelius - 11 years ago
Yes it is the hips and the knee. Exactly it is even more than the hip an knee...it is the entire spine Starting with the hip and knee. NOW next time you are in a kayak on dry land go from the C on one side hard and fast to the C on the other side. You will realize the only to do that is use the knee and muscles around your hip. In a sense the way I teach it is to trick you into a hips snap by following exacttly what the video says. Try it dry and let me know what you think.
Chiloe Spelius
Chiloe Spelius - 11 years ago
Sure I can give some help. chris
Chiloe Spelius
Chiloe Spelius - 11 years ago
mmm we need you to commit to one of these rolls and really go for it till you get it. Let me know what is your plan? Are you flexible? What age? whitewater sea kayak?
James Iliff
James Iliff - 11 years ago
why is this better than the Twist and Slice roll? It looks easier. Are there other reasons?
Mark Armistead
Mark Armistead - 11 years ago
1:20 bookmark =]
yusthavinfun
yusthavinfun - 11 years ago
this is the first roll we use to learn the kids in my club. its a good eazy and ecpeccialy a very reliable one. since it works in both big and small kayjacks.

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Tommy Clapp
Tommy Clapp - 11 years ago
I have been paddling for 2 years now and This video was my start into rolling. I watched in over and over again. Went out with a friend and practiced. It is very well done and now I use this video to teach others how to roll. I also used the rodeo roll video to learn that for my playboating. GREAT VIDEOS!!!! YOU SHOULD PUT OUT MORE!!!!
North East Whitewater
North East Whitewater - 11 years ago
I must thankyou for my first year's success. I watched these videos hundreds of times. i am confident in still water %100 for the c to c and the slice rolls. I am still having a difficulty in class 3 water rolling. I think it is a mental block. Is there any technique for overcoming this obstacle?
Chiloe Spelius
Chiloe Spelius - 12 years ago
sure, that would be the next step in the transition to doing the roll all on their own. It is a little less likely to be confused by what is going on with this step in there.
Chiloe Spelius
Chiloe Spelius - 12 years ago
Pray tell
Chiloe Spelius
Chiloe Spelius - 12 years ago
IN my humble opinion I agree to an extent....many rolls work when done right, certainly more than just the C to C. However if one gets back to air by lifting their head or pushing their paddle down, it may be one of the quickest routes up, but their may unintended consequences to their shoulder joint.
Kuviasuktok
Kuviasuktok - 12 years ago
I don't see it. He certainly doesn't support the kayak to assist the roll. I trust this guy not to pull a fast one like that.
Kuviasuktok
Kuviasuktok - 12 years ago
Agreed, if you look in slo-mo you can see that she's not using the paddle to get up but rather using the paddle as support for the hip flick - thereby avoiding possible shoulder injury. Great demo!
moh2o
moh2o - 12 years ago
I have a friend that does a hybrid roll and he always comes up in a face forward aggressive position.
moh2o
moh2o - 12 years ago
Ok Dude You seem to by some sort of master roller, so why don't you EXPLAIN exactly what this guy is teaching wrong? That looks like a pretty good C to C to me.
Kuviasuktok
Kuviasuktok - 12 years ago
I've learned to sweep roll on either side and plan to get the C to C down this year. One of the advantages of the C2C I've read is that you can roll in more confined spaces and that its more head protective. It seems to me that you need just about the same room to sweep as to C2C. I might be wrong but I'll find out this summer. At least now I know what C's in C2C mean, thanks.
Chiloe Spelius
Chiloe Spelius - 12 years ago
You got it now. If you want to put more power into do it with the movement of the torso or (ear torwards hip fast and full) That is where the power is...just an extension of the body movement.
MoOnLiTwOlF
MoOnLiTwOlF - 12 years ago
Thanks for posting and creating this. Its really interesting to watch - I hope this helps tomorrow night! However all the names seem a little confusing.. C to C.. Sweep... Is it best to not try to focus on movements with a particular name when starting out?
kirkway33
kirkway33 - 13 years ago
cheers thats great i can carry out all ur rolls but back deck, just cant get the fluid motion of the paddle well done
ManiaCop100
ManiaCop100 - 13 years ago
its easyer doing it in a swimming pool, because ......... Its not COLD, when I capzied in the river, I tuck me a min to get my breath back because how cold it was.
theoneandonly690
theoneandonly690 - 13 years ago
how the hell can you cheat?
Chiloe Spelius
Chiloe Spelius - 13 years ago
Yes it can be done by short people. However you did make some valid observations. Often I change a person that is not very flexible to the Twist and slice roll. Send me a video file of your roll and I can give you some advice. chris
Chiloe Spelius
Chiloe Spelius - 13 years ago
Thanks, there is tons of time, cost and love of the sport into this production. Profit motive is not there. I really love to teach. Thanks for your comment.
Chiloe Spelius
Chiloe Spelius - 13 years ago
Thank you for your comment. I am so confused why someone would bother making nasty comments...I thought maybe his slang was actually reverse for something positive. Any how the information is there for you to really improve the roll. Remember do not try to get up but try to complete the technique 100 percent and you will find yourself up.
Chiloe Spelius
Chiloe Spelius - 13 years ago
Is your comment a negative comment or a postive comment on the technique demonstrated. ???
Chiloe Spelius
Chiloe Spelius - 13 years ago
I hope you are kidding. A front deck roll comes up on the front deck as its name suggests.
Chiloe Spelius
Chiloe Spelius - 13 years ago
are you kidding???
Denis Oliveira
Denis Oliveira - 14 years ago
Excelente!! Paraéns pela iniciativa.
arturo torres
arturo torres - 14 years ago
buen video, felicidades
arturo torres
arturo torres - 14 years ago
muy didactico el video,

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