Why People Don't Like Hobie Kayaks

Why People Don't Like Hobie Kayaks I did some research on my own as to why people don't like hobie, the main reason was price, but most people did say they like hobie. JUST OPENED UP MY PATREON Www.patreon.com/aliexfishing By the way if you want to check out the Revo 11, here is a link,: http://amzn.to/2ocVdwh Check Out Bixpy at http://bit.ly/2xJ7ehn (use coupon code: aliexfishing for great discounts😁) Hello Friends, Welcome to AFishing TV In this channel we love to go Kayak fishing, bank fishing Fresh and Saltwater Fishing, unbox products, fly drones and talk about Fishing Subscribe https://www.youtube.com/user/afolgueira?sub_confirmation=1 Socials: Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/aliexfolgueira Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/aliexfolgueira Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/aliexfolgueira Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/afishingtv Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/afishingtv Facebook Groups: Afishing tV Emails: afishingtv@gmail.com Filming and Cameras: GoPro Hero 4 Silver https://goo.gl/YgVvbm GoPro Hero 5 Black https://goo.gl/gx7tzn Action Cam Heken 3 (2) Panasonic Lumix G7 http://amzn.to/2nbkatQ Panasonic TS6 Waterproof Point and Shoot http://amzn.to/2mSyK6S Samsung Gear 360 Video Camera http://amzn.to/2nbv2rK Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge http://amzn.to/2mNQBLm GoPro Hero 4 Session DEAD http://amzn.to/2nzgAdV Editing Software: Premiere Pro CC http://amzn.to/2nzjD65 Drone: DJI Phantom 3 Standard http://amzn.to/2nHSTAD Editing PC: Toshiba 4k Laptop 15.6 IN Cars: 2015 F150 SuperCrew XL 2016 Ford Explorer XLT Kayaks Mean Fishing Machines! 2015 Native Watercraft Slayer Propel 13….. Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRrqdSwGRcg Rod/Reels Check my arsenal…..video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyYmt21X8CA · Penn Spinfisher V 6500 Live Paired with Penn Carnage 30# braid http://amzn.to/2n5At9D · Penn Spinfisher V 6500 Combo 40# Braid http://amzn.to/2nQh50H · Penn Spinfisher V 4500 paired with Penn Battalion 7.6 Xtra Fast Action Spinning Rod 20# Braid http://amzn.to/2nkOa6V · Penn Spinfisher V 4500 Live paired with Bass Pro Brawler 6.0 Heavy Spinning Rod 20# Braid · Eagle Claw Skeet Reese Victory Pro Carbon 4000 Spinning Reel Ugly Stik Inshore 7.0 10# Flouro · Quantum Cabo 5000 paired with Blair Wiggins Flats Blue 8.0 Spinning Rod 30# Braid · Skeet Reese Victory 4000 Spinning Reel paired with 6.4 Jigging Rod 30# Braid · AbuGarcia Revo Inshore Spinning Reel Paired with Vendetta 7.6 Inshore Rod 30# Braid · Arden Wire 1000 Spinning Reel paired with Ugly Stik Inshore Select Spinning Rod 5.6 8# Flouro · Basspro Gold Cup Conventional Reel Combo #50 Braid Glasses: Costa Fisch Sunglasses Glass 580P http://amzn.to/2nQoaOv Subscribe? https://www.youtube.com/user/afolgueira?sub_confirmation=1 Disclaimer: This video and description contains affiliate links from Amazon, if you click on those product links, we will receive a small commission that will help us with the channel and make better videos. THANK YOU! Aliex Folgueira

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Why People Don't Like Hobie Kayaks I did some research on my own as to why people don't like hobie, the main reason was price, but most people did say they like hobie. JUST OPENED UP MY PATREON Www.patreon.com/aliexfishing By the way if you want to check out the Revo 11, here is a link,: http://amzn.to/2ocVdwh Check Out Bixpy at http://bit.ly/2xJ7ehn (use coupon code: aliexfishing for great discounts😁) Hello Friends, Welcome to AFishing TV In this channel we love to go Kayak fishing, bank fishing Fresh and Saltwater Fishing, unbox products, fly drones and talk about Fishing Subscribe https://www.youtube.com/user/afolgueira?sub_confirmation=1 Socials: Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/aliexfolgueira Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/aliexfolgueira Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/aliexfolgueira Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/afishingtv Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/afishingtv Facebook Groups: Afishing tV Emails: afishingtv@gmail.com Filming and Cameras: GoPro Hero 4 Silver https://goo.gl/YgVvbm GoPro Hero 5 Black https://goo.gl/gx7tzn Action Cam Heken 3 (2) Panasonic Lumix G7 http://amzn.to/2nbkatQ Panasonic TS6 Waterproof Point and Shoot http://amzn.to/2mSyK6S Samsung Gear 360 Video Camera http://amzn.to/2nbv2rK Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge http://amzn.to/2mNQBLm GoPro Hero 4 Session DEAD http://amzn.to/2nzgAdV Editing Software: Premiere Pro CC http://amzn.to/2nzjD65 Drone: DJI Phantom 3 Standard http://amzn.to/2nHSTAD Editing PC: Toshiba 4k Laptop 15.6 IN Cars: 2015 F150 SuperCrew XL 2016 Ford Explorer XLT Kayaks Mean Fishing Machines! 2015 Native Watercraft Slayer Propel 13….. Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRrqdSwGRcg Rod/Reels Check my arsenal…..video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyYmt21X8CA · Penn Spinfisher V 6500 Live Paired with Penn Carnage 30# braid http://amzn.to/2n5At9D · Penn Spinfisher V 6500 Combo 40# Braid http://amzn.to/2nQh50H · Penn Spinfisher V 4500 paired with Penn Battalion 7.6 Xtra Fast Action Spinning Rod 20# Braid http://amzn.to/2nkOa6V · Penn Spinfisher V 4500 Live paired with Bass Pro Brawler 6.0 Heavy Spinning Rod 20# Braid · Eagle Claw Skeet Reese Victory Pro Carbon 4000 Spinning Reel Ugly Stik Inshore 7.0 10# Flouro · Quantum Cabo 5000 paired with Blair Wiggins Flats Blue 8.0 Spinning Rod 30# Braid · Skeet Reese Victory 4000 Spinning Reel paired with 6.4 Jigging Rod 30# Braid · AbuGarcia Revo Inshore Spinning Reel Paired with Vendetta 7.6 Inshore Rod 30# Braid · Arden Wire 1000 Spinning Reel paired with Ugly Stik Inshore Select Spinning Rod 5.6 8# Flouro · Basspro Gold Cup Conventional Reel Combo #50 Braid Glasses: Costa Fisch Sunglasses Glass 580P http://amzn.to/2nQoaOv Subscribe? https://www.youtube.com/user/afolgueira?sub_confirmation=1 Disclaimer: This video and description contains affiliate links from Amazon, if you click on those product links, we will receive a small commission that will help us with the channel and make better videos. THANK YOU! Aliex Folgueira

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fuku sima
fuku sima - 6 years ago
What a silly video your complaining about the nature of business and blaming hobie for profiting. I say good on hobie they came out with something original and should prifit from it. I dont think the prices are that bad its still cheaper then an alluminium dhingy and u can sail with it
radar 211
radar 211 - 6 years ago
Can you back a Hobie up? What I mean is, if I'm getting close to shore, can I back it up and keep fishing, or do I have to grab my paddle?
radar 211
radar 211 - 6 years ago
Aliex Fishing
Nice.
Aliex Fishing
Aliex Fishing - 6 years ago
You can use the hook on the mirage drive, it folds the fins and co go really shallow
Duy Nguyen
Duy Nguyen - 6 years ago
wtf people love hobie.
Aliex Fishing
Aliex Fishing - 6 years ago
+Duy Nguyen yup but not the price
Michael Jenkin
Michael Jenkin - 6 years ago
I love my Hobie Oasis. I’ve no idea what this fellow is blathering on about.
Aliex Fishing
Aliex Fishing - 6 years ago
+Michael Jenkin did you love the price you pay for it? Lol
Marcus Bustad
Marcus Bustad - 6 years ago
I've got some cheese to go with that whine if u want.
Carsten F
Carsten F - 6 years ago
People love Hobie Kayaks - sillybilly!
Newbie Fishing
Newbie Fishing - 6 years ago
Blame the competition cause if they come up with a good kayak and good price. Then hobie will be force to come down with price and built a better kayak to keep up with competition. Competition is good for the consumers.
Aliex Fishing
Aliex Fishing - 6 years ago
+Newbie Fishing exactly
Newbie Fishing
Newbie Fishing - 6 years ago
I love my revolution 11. I got it cheaper cause it's a last year model.
Aliex Fishing
Aliex Fishing - 6 years ago
+Newbie Fishing my revo 11 is awesome
Joseph Limbrick
Joseph Limbrick - 6 years ago
I agree with you mate Hobie is really expensive , the only thing i don't like about my current kayak is I dont have foot driven propulsion, and i couldnt justify buying a hobie for any reason really. the other thing i don't like about them is you have pull those cables to engage forward and reverse unlike some of the other kayaks on the market that have a prop with free spinning in either direction. I saw a moken feel free with hand rudder and prop drive for $1800 Australian , that more in my price range, thanks for posting .
Aliex Fishing
Aliex Fishing - 6 years ago
+Joseph Limbrick thanks mate, yeah the pulling the cables to go in reverse is a pain sometimes

10. comment for Why People Don't Like Hobie Kayaks

angel castillo
angel castillo - 6 years ago
No inbuilt esky ( cooler)
Viking kayaks 4life
Aliex Fishing
Aliex Fishing - 6 years ago
+angel castillo Viking kayaks are nice
TomTomgr81
TomTomgr81 - 6 years ago
The problem with with hobie is the price
Another reason why no one likes hobie is they are expensive
And also the price
Which leads me to my next point, the price
And did I mention they are expensive?

There I just summarized the video.
Aliex Fishing
Aliex Fishing - 6 years ago
+TomTomgr81 dude my point on the video was I could not afford to waste $3400 on a PA when thst money can do better somewhere else. Anyways
Aliex Fishing
Aliex Fishing - 6 years ago
+TomTomgr81 dude I have a Titan 13.5 that's $3200, I have a hobie revo 11 that's $2300 I have a slayer propel 13 that's $2600 I have a vibe seaghost that's $900 i can buy every hobie product right now if I want to. Kayaks are overpriced!
TomTomgr81
TomTomgr81 - 6 years ago
Aliex Fishing lol no dude YOU get a trophy for effort. You literally ONLY TALK ABOUT THE PRICE. You get what you pay for. Just cuz YOU can’t afford it doesn’t mean that they are bad kayaks or a bad company. Think of it as a car. You have the option to buy a Honda or a Ferrari. Yes for the most part both will get you from point “A” to point “B” but the Ferrari will get you there faster. Yes the Ferrari is waaaay more expensive but you are not paying for only the brand or the speed, but also for the engineering and quality of a Ferrari. Your analogy with a phone is irrelevant. Because yes they both do THE EXACT SAME THING and yes iPhones are way overpriced considering the fact that a Samsung does the same things, but the hobbie kayak does things COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. Plus you are not just paying for a peddle drive system but you are also paying for the quality of materials, gaskets, rudder, and stability. It all depends on how serious you are about kayaking. If you go kayaking twice a year then yes, go buy a cheap 200 dollars plastic kayak from Walmart. But if you are serious about kayaking, then you are willing to invest and FINANCE a good quality kayak. Just like you can get a bicycle at walmart for 100 dollars, or a custom made touring bicycle for 7 grand
Darren Turner
Darren Turner - 6 years ago
I totally agree with you. I bought a no name branded kayak (probably made in China) for $700 then spent $200 installing a really good electric motor system and its a fantastic fishing platform! I would never buy a Hobie, they are simply overpriced.
Darren Turner
Darren Turner - 6 years ago
Aliex Fishing TV one of the attractions of kayak fishing for a lot of people is the much lower cost of getting on the water than a power boat. At $2500 + that advantage is now gone. Of course, there will always be those to whom money is no object and I suspect that is who Hobie is targeting. If your asking price is higher, you will need to sell less units and in a relatively small market, that's a good way to go but for me, they just don't represent good value for money. There are far better platforms out there for much less money.
Aliex Fishing
Aliex Fishing - 6 years ago
+Darren Turner yup, lots of money these kayaks cost now days
BMF F
BMF F - 6 years ago
Propel fan boy and I'm a hobie fan boy either way your opinion is skew not a fan anymore read your comments propel is over priced and quality is not there plus you're on the water not land deal with being stranded then
Aliex Fishing
Aliex Fishing - 6 years ago
+BMF F sorry I don't understand what you mean. Both are overpriced, and the propel quality is there my slayer is 2 years old never broke, went two years without service
one and one
one and one - 6 years ago
Yeah, they are probably overpriced. When you develop a new product you have "x" number of years or less before a competitor or even the Chinese will create a knock off of your product for half the price. You have to try to make the profit before you have ten "clones". That's just normal product cycle.
Aliex Fishing
Aliex Fishing - 6 years ago
+one and one true!!!
Brad Sexton
Brad Sexton - 6 years ago
I like your honest approach and content. Keep up the good work.
darkomen42
darkomen42 - 6 years ago
Hobie didn't make the price go up. If people weren't willing to pay it the price would drastically go down or they would go out of business. Hobie making a lot of money just guarantees lots of competition and more companies getting into it and driving the price down.
darkomen42
darkomen42 - 6 years ago
Aliex Fishing TV I don't know why the bottom of my comment is gone, but what it said was... I don't see the compass being worth $1100 by itself without the mirage drive. You get more/better features on the vibe for $900.

Native sets their prices based on cost and whether the profit margin is enough to justify it.

Hobie doesn't set anyone's price. If it's not worth it, people aren't going to buy it. The first gen of pedal drives always are going to cost more. The initial buyers of any new creation are going to pay more than people buying the same thing a few years down the road. The market will sort itself out. If you don't like what's available, start making them.
Aliex Fishing
Aliex Fishing - 6 years ago
+darkomen42 of couse they do, slayer propel is 2600 but is more boat than outback, the outback is 2400, titan is 3250 pa is 3400 you see. Very similar prices. My point is simple if the market leader is charing $2000 why would the competition charge $1500 if they can sell it for $1900. Look at the note 8 and the iPhone X. Why should Samsung sell the note for $800 when Apple sales iPhone X for $1000. If you price your product way below the competition, customers will see your product as cheap and won't buy it
darkomen42
darkomen42 - 6 years ago
Aliex Fishing TV Vibe is a perfect example of competition. They put out an amazing paddle kayak with features for the price, and Hobie did need to compete. The mirage drive alone is $800. I don't see the compass being worth $1100 without it. It's a nice option for a "budget" Hobie, but it's still very expensive for most. But that's fine, there are far more affordable options and further proof Hobie doesn't control anyone else's prices.

Why do you assume Native's price is based on Hobie's and not their cost and profit margin?
Aliex Fishing
Aliex Fishing - 6 years ago
+darkomen42 prices have gone up, there are some exceptions like vibe and perception which in term drove hobie to make th compass to compete for the budget kayak. There is a lot if changes going on right now
Tuan Le
Tuan Le - 6 years ago
What??? Hobie drives up the prices of other manufactures! That makes no sense. Why can’t the competition charge less to be competitive? Maybe they can’t.
Aliex Fishing
Aliex Fishing - 6 years ago
+Tuan Le makes total sense bro, why would you undercut the market so much if it is willing to pay such high prices
Martin Hawkins
Martin Hawkins - 6 years ago
I am almost ready to purchase my first Yak and I like what I read and watch about the the SeaGhost 130 your thoughts ? I do not want to shell out big bucks for my first Kayak most of my fishing would be in small fresh water lakes here in California
Aliex Fishing
Aliex Fishing - 6 years ago
+Martin Hawkins love that seaghost, low prices top notch quality, check this video of mine https://youtu.be/aUoYobIx5ik
craig grech
craig grech - 6 years ago
The hulls are prone to cracking !!!! There not the best .... they are the best at marketing though !!!!!

20. comment for Why People Don't Like Hobie Kayaks

Larry Ciarrocchi
Larry Ciarrocchi - 6 years ago
You will make more money in the long run by selling to the masses cheaper, instead of a few hundred units to the ones who can afford the higher priced yaks.
Aliex Fishing
Aliex Fishing - 6 years ago
+Larry Ciarrocchi yup, that's why they came up with the compass
miopera40
miopera40 - 6 years ago
the prices are high and the quality of the hull doesn't justify the price. The hull wouldn't resist 5 years of fishing in South Florida, the plastic cracks in areas under small stress by the seat, pedals, and wheel holes.
Aliex Fishing
Aliex Fishing - 6 years ago
+miopera40 wow, that's not good I better take of mine, thanks
miopera40
miopera40 - 6 years ago
good designs but hull built quality is garbage
AFORWW
AFORWW - 6 years ago
As long as these fools keep blowing money, they'll keep charging it.
Aliex Fishing
Aliex Fishing - 6 years ago
+AFORWW lol true
Matthew Rodriguez
Matthew Rodriguez - 7 years ago
Hovie kayaks !!!!!
Aliex Fishing
Aliex Fishing - 7 years ago
+Matthew Rodriguez yessssong live the revo 11, better than the rest!
toolman
toolman - 7 years ago
It's just like Matthews hunting bows. Fluke electrical meters. Under Armour gear. They just branded a name and that's what you're paying for.
toolman
toolman - 7 years ago
Aliex Fishing TV That's it, once they get you in the door, they have to keep feeding you.
Aliex Fishing
Aliex Fishing - 7 years ago
+toolman yeah, it feels that way lots of time, specially with accessories
kayakfishing335 hobie
kayakfishing335 hobie - 7 years ago
same
kayakfishing335 hobie
kayakfishing335 hobie - 7 years ago
I like hobie
Aliex Fishing
Aliex Fishing - 7 years ago
+kayakfishing335 hobie I like hobie too, just don't like the prices lol
mario condello
mario condello - 7 years ago
I don't like Ferrari because of the price !
Aliex Fishing
Aliex Fishing - 7 years ago
+mario condello yeah waste of money
rudolph serna
rudolph serna - 7 years ago
I don't like hobos because my feet sits of puddle of cold the entire fishing trip
Aliex Fishing
Aliex Fishing - 7 years ago
+rudolph serna lol it is true
E J
E J - 7 years ago
I can't afford a Lamborghini...doesn't make it a bad car!

30. comment for Why People Don't Like Hobie Kayaks

E J
E J - 7 years ago
My 2016 PA 14 has been worth every penny of the $2,800 I bought it for brand new. I have been in white caps and she handles very well. Skinny water, deep water, rough water...doesn't matter....it lives up to the hype!
E J
E J - 7 years ago
Aliex Fishing TV I knew the 16s would be reduced in price and dealers would negotiate with the camo and reverse drives hitting the market for 2017. The cost went from $3400 to $2800 new. No regrets!
Aliex Fishing
Aliex Fishing - 7 years ago
+E J that's a great price for the PA!!
Kalvin Lo
Kalvin Lo - 7 years ago
Hobie add extra features for possible add on, also its not overpriced, Jackson and Viking kayak looks regular, why are their priced about the same as hobie.
Kalvin Lo
Kalvin Lo - 7 years ago
If i like your video, i'll automatically give you a thumb up
Aliex Fishing
Aliex Fishing - 7 years ago
+Kalvin Lo I agree with the last part 10000%
Kalvin Lo
Kalvin Lo - 7 years ago
everything is based on preference, i spend 5k USD on a mountain bike cause it fit my need, you dont need to buy one for the same price you can get one in walmart and still enjoy life as is. that is also the same with cars. people stick to what they like, just deal with it. but i spend 9k on an hobie tandamn islander, my wife love it, happy wife mean happy life
Aliex Fishing
Aliex Fishing - 7 years ago
yeah Jacksons for me are overpriced but they do offer lots of fishing extras ready to fish, it would mean a lot if you click like on this video. thanks
Vic Rivera VRP, Inc.
Vic Rivera VRP, Inc. - 7 years ago
With Hobie you get what you pay for. In my opinion so far the best fishing platform (especially men) on the market. Are they expensive...? Yes, but the quality and warranted value of the investment is worth the price. I don't work for them. I've been shopping for a while now and really like to do my research. I understand your views about them being too pricey. I don't agree they had some conspiracy Jedi mind trick to get customers to believe their the best. For me they are and so far their track record has too. They had a great product and good marketing strategy. Besides c'mon the boats sold themselves. I plan to purchase one. And I'm a cheapskate too lol. Pero I love fishing and Hobie's drive system is for me.
Tnx for your post and hava great day...
Beanflip
Beanflip - 7 years ago
I'm glad I bought my Mirage Outback back in 2003.
Aliex Fishing
Aliex Fishing - 7 years ago
+Beanflip how much did you pay for it back in 2013. The new hobie mirage compass looks sweet
Kayak Hacks Fishing
Kayak Hacks Fishing - 7 years ago
I have a tough decision when I buy a new kayak next season!!!
Erick
Erick - 7 years ago
click bait. negged
Aliex Fishing
Aliex Fishing - 7 years ago
+Erick what do you mean??? Clickbait???? Next time I should put a sexy picture there so it is Clickbait lol
Stephen Walsh
Stephen Walsh - 7 years ago
?????
Adolfo
Adolfo - 7 years ago
good info...any chance you can review the nucanoe flint if you can get your hands on one
Adolfo
Adolfo - 7 years ago
yeah sure thanks
Aliex Fishing
Aliex Fishing - 7 years ago
+Adolfo Gonzalez also pls this video needs likes it would be awesome if you LIKE it. Thanks
Tim Conner
Tim Conner - 7 years ago
I first used a Hobie Sport on loan from a freind. I wanted reverse, so I bought a Native Slayer 10 Propel. Good kayak, terrible customer support. I sold the Slayer and now I am buying a Hobie Outback Mirage 180. Hobie quality is far superior to Native.
Tim Conner
Tim Conner - 7 years ago
So I thought. Silly me! The intimation I got from the indirect communication was that I did not know how to properly use tools or understand how to unscrew a threaded part.
Aliex Fishing
Aliex Fishing - 7 years ago
+Tim Conner wow that's really sucks, if the product is under warranty they should have paid for shipping and stuff
Tim Conner
Tim Conner - 7 years ago
Just for your info and protection, I first consulted the selling dealer with my technical questions and they didn't know any more than I did. So I asked for them to have the factory rep call me and Native refused, insisting that only the retail tech could talk to them. We went back and forth and back and forth over about two weeks and I got no good answers except to buy a very expensive wrench which did NOT solve the problem, then they said all they would do would be to fix it at the factory if I paid the freight both ways. I will never buy another product from them and will tell this story as often as possible.
Aliex Fishing
Aliex Fishing - 7 years ago
+Tim Conner I havent try their customer service yet, Thanks for the heads up.
Tim Conner
Tim Conner - 7 years ago
My friends old Hobie Sport has been bulletproof and is several years old.
The Native - in one year - had issues with the rudder ( poor control and upgraded to a Boondox), the control cable kept slipping repeatedly. the pedals would not stay tight on the crank - had to stop every few minutes and tighten them and then when I went to lubricate the Propel unit, the lower unit was frozen tight and not even the outrageously priced wrench Native specified would budge it. They wanted me to pay for the return shipment for them to work on it. They have a great idea which has not been perfected yet. And did I say their customer service sucks? It really sucks.
Aliex Fishing
Aliex Fishing - 7 years ago
+Tim Conner depends on what you are looking for, I own revo 11 and so far I'm having issues with the rudder, my native is 2 years old and I'm yet to have a issue with it
Yao buck
Yao buck - 7 years ago
my friend do you have any idea how much money it cost to develop a product like mirage drive they have to make up for that plus profit
Aliex Fishing
Aliex Fishing - 7 years ago
+Yao buck a lot, but it was developed many years ago, do you know the mirage drive itself sells for $600 why the $1300-1600 price markup on a kayak ?
Teo P
Teo P - 7 years ago
Hobies are the Rolls Royce of kayaks. Pricey, sure, but worth every penny IMO. I love my Hobie TI. For under $8k, you have a boat that can be car-topped if necessary, carry 2 (or more), go from lakes to open ocean, and haul ass. The WindRider is the only competitor, but it is more expensive, and can only be trailered.
Cheers :)
Aliex Fishing
Aliex Fishing - 7 years ago
+Teo P I'm going to add A small trolling motor to my revo, let's see how it plays
Teo P
Teo P - 7 years ago
Yes, or a Torqueedo, fit either prop or mirage well. These beasts can do anything! :P
Aliex Fishing
Aliex Fishing - 7 years ago
+Teo P you can also put an outboard on it
Teo P
Teo P - 7 years ago
Aye, it is! It ain't cheap, but I can load this on top of the Jeep, anytime, anywhere, go fishing, sailing, whatever, and not worry about docking, storage, insurance, gas. At 18' long it may need to be registered.
My only gripe about it, it is f*** heavy!!!! The main hull alone is heavy, fully rigged it's about 130+ pounds. And yes, add the beach wheels, a set of cradles (recommended), and the cost goes a bit higher, but you're still under $10k for something that is truly versatile.
Good videos BTW :)
Aliex Fishing
Aliex Fishing - 7 years ago
+Teo P tandem Island?? Those are nice
Jeannette Manalo
Jeannette Manalo - 7 years ago
Fake news.
Aliex Fishing
Aliex Fishing - 7 years ago
+Jeannette Manalo nooohhhh I'm not CNN lol
barry kelliher
barry kelliher - 7 years ago
actually the hobie adventure island series may be an over priced kayak but they are a cheap sailboat when compared with other sail boats
Aliex Fishing
Aliex Fishing - 7 years ago
+barry kelliher good point
sevinsound
sevinsound - 7 years ago
Did you seriously just spend five minutes bitching about the price ? This is America, if you don't like it don't buy it, but don't try to justify your inability to afford one as the reason for a video trying to slam the company. They are the best because they use the best components and they are more stable than anything out there. I have had seven back surgeries and the Hobie is the ONLY fishing Kayak that I can effortlessly maneuver .
Aliex Fishing
Aliex Fishing - 7 years ago
+sevinsound first this is America I have the right to say what I want to say. Second I can buy one if I want to, I rather spend that money somewhere else, so to me it is not "affordable" because I can't justify paying over $3600 for a piece of plastic. And nop I'm not bashing a brand and even if I was since this is America I have all the rights given by our founders to bash the company. By the way I own a hobie kayak ok! And not they are not the best nor they have the best materials and they flip, they are not as stable as you think (I'm referring to the PA) just search YouTube for pa flipping videos. Lastly I'm happy that you own a hobie and it works for you and that you can get there and fish!! So go get em fish. Thnks for watching
Ranger42
Ranger42 - 7 years ago
Great marketing but way too expensive; however, I still want and will eventually buy a new Pro Angler 14
Aliex Fishing
Aliex Fishing - 7 years ago
+Ranger42 I hope you get a good deal on it
st.clair county
st.clair county - 7 years ago
I didn't like the Hobie and thought they were over priced then I messed up and tested a pro angler 12. Now I own one and love it. Wish I bought one ten years ago
Aliex Fishing
Aliex Fishing - 7 years ago
+st.clair county lol, they get fish! Just wish they were cheaper
Johnny Redrum
Johnny Redrum - 7 years ago
They used to come with shit seats, know they're practically lazy boys on a kayak. that's where you're paying more now.
Aliex Fishing
Aliex Fishing - 7 years ago
+Johnny Redrum yup
TacticalSBR
TacticalSBR - 7 years ago
so basically this video is saying most people can't or will not pay for a Hobie.
Aliex Fishing
Aliex Fishing - 7 years ago
+TacticalSBR lots of people can buy hobie, lots of people think hobie are overpriced but still pay because they find value in them. I asked yak anglers a simple question what didn't they like about hobie, the answer??? Price
Thomas Pickett
Thomas Pickett - 7 years ago
don't like the price or the fact that you have to turn the drive around to go backwards. perception pilot fixed the main pedal issue sms works great for $1800 ($1530 at 15% off at REI).
Aliex Fishing
Aliex Fishing - 7 years ago
+Thomas Pickett wow $1530 for a pedal kayak???? Unbeatable wow.
Jimmie gray
Jimmie gray - 7 years ago
I really think you can buy a old for the amount of money you spend on the 3000 dollar Kayak like the predator
Aliex Fishing
Aliex Fishing - 7 years ago
+Jimmie gray sometimes you can get deals on used kayaks

50. comment for Why People Don't Like Hobie Kayaks

Jim M
Jim M - 7 years ago
I've only used the Hobie with Mirage drive so I can't give a fair opinion. I will say the Hobie, while heavy and expensive, is a n-I-c-e kayak.
Aliex Fishing
Aliex Fishing - 7 years ago
+Jim M very nice, very expensive
Augustine Gonzales
Augustine Gonzales - 7 years ago
I like the Hobie but not the price. I rather spend a couple hundred less for the Native Titan Propel. yes it's expensive also but I like the pedal drive over the mirage drive. it's all about what you want in a kayak and what you can afford bottom line.
Aliex Fishing
Aliex Fishing - 7 years ago
+Augustine Gonzales couldn't say it better myself
Aliex Fishing
Aliex Fishing - 7 years ago
+Golden Cuddles it is super fun bro, come down to s Florida, I'll take you kayak fishing, you will be hooked!!
Golden Cuddles
Golden Cuddles - 7 years ago
Aliex Folgueira hahah no thanks XD
brian hittepole
brian hittepole - 7 years ago
I somewhat agree but I do not think the Pescador will errode prices. I liken it to Harley Davidson in the eightys, they sucked but their brand kept people buying them. Hobies do not suck and while people buy them they will continue to raise the price to see what their ceiling is. That being said only think I dislike about the Hobies is their reverse it is the worst on the market.
Aliex Fishing
Aliex Fishing - 7 years ago
+brian hittepole I know and on the water while fighting a fish, probably impossible to do
brian hittepole
brian hittepole - 7 years ago
Aliex Folgueira it's not just that you have to switch with your hand but is also very clunky in operation.
Aliex Fishing
Aliex Fishing - 7 years ago
+brian hittepole Yeah I agree with you in that, hobie people will always buy hobies, I do like hobies I just wish they would cost less. A reverse system that you have to get up and switch is not convenient, but at least they have it
Bella Jae
Bella Jae - 7 years ago
I have to agree with the let's go fishing dude. Buying into a name can cause serious problems. Researching and buying what's affordable is just as good as long as it's a quality purchase in the long run.
Great video Aliex and opinion.
GetOutTheHouseGoFish
GetOutTheHouseGoFish - 7 years ago
I did a demo on the Native and Hobie's (Outback and Pro Angler w/ 180 drives) and to me the Hobie's just felt like they were made from a better material. Thats just me though. Everyone is different. I also will be using my kayak in the creeks and shallow waters and in the Inlets most of the time.
I run up on shallows very quickly which made the Mirage Drive a better choice for me.
It is all going to come down to how and where you will be using the yak.
Is the Hobie worth the amount they are asking?
Yes I think so but I felt like if the Native kayaks were priced around 1600-1900 I probably would have purchased one instead of the Hobie. If Native did a re-adjustment across the board they would sell MORE kayaks and put a hurting on Hobie but for the same price and more than a Hobie? No, I would go with the Hobie first.
Aliex Fishing
Aliex Fishing - 7 years ago
+mike4speed3 y what the mirage drive and shallow water is a plus, I hope native would get aggressive with pricing
Practical Psychology
Practical Psychology - 7 years ago
You have done your research for sure :)
Aliex Fishing
Aliex Fishing - 7 years ago
+Practical Psychology yup, I'm dreaming hahaha, one of my favorite YouTubers commenting on my video!!!!! Wow now I have a story to tell my grandkids someday. Yup I did lots of research on this video also asked hobie owners for the opinion the subject
REAL BLADES VIGILANTE
REAL BLADES VIGILANTE - 7 years ago
Hobie is ripping off people, I agree with you.
JC Vigilant
JC Vigilant - 7 years ago
I agree with you 200%
Aliex Fishing
Aliex Fishing - 7 years ago
+JC Vigilant thanks buddy
Candid Tech TV
Candid Tech TV - 7 years ago
Interesting hearing about how the price of the Hobies are kind of driving up the market.
Aliex Fishing
Aliex Fishing - 7 years ago
+Candid Tech I think so, they had a monopoly in the peddle kayak world
Sara Chenn
Sara Chenn - 7 years ago
What would you recommend as an alternative to hobie kayak? Im looking for fishing kayak at ocean
Sara Chenn
Sara Chenn - 7 years ago
Aliex Folgueira thank you
Aliex Fishing
Aliex Fishing - 7 years ago
+Sara Chenn slayer propel 13 or pilot drive https://youtu.be/QpZiN7p11AU
Roman Brown
Roman Brown - 7 years ago
I paid 130 dollars for my kayak, and just caught a 35 pound blue cat on it two days ago.  So waz up rich boys, I don't none of your yuppy nonsense to fill my freezer with fish.
Raymond jones
Raymond jones - 7 years ago
Roman Brown any lower price will work for freshwater but when it comes to heavy saltwater river boat traffic and wakes to deal with the Pro angler is the king for stability and amazingly fast for its,size no lost fishing gear here in the northeast
Aliex Fishing
Aliex Fishing - 7 years ago
+Roman Brown I caught ton of fish with my old $477 kayak, the fancy one it is just starting to payoff
HardHitta SkettaD
HardHitta SkettaD - 7 years ago
Watch "Hobie cat pro angler 14 takes on crossing the Tx City channel in high cross winds and big swells" on YouTube
https://youtu.be/FMwnmTk4ylc
HardHitta SkettaD
HardHitta SkettaD - 7 years ago
I have the pro angler 14 a 2016 model and for me it's the very best kayak on the market. price is not what I'm going to look at when it's pertaining to something I love to do FISH!!!. I've had 4 other kayaks and none come even close to this one. Watch "Hooked Up Fishing Lake Houston Dam. Trying to teach Mark to use jigs" on YouTube
https://youtu.be/4VpQpzPvs4k
HardHitta SkettaD
HardHitta SkettaD - 7 years ago
Yeah the weight is more than others so I just pick better places to launch from, and as far as speed. I build race motors if I want fast. I'm not kayak racing I'm kayak fishing. But to reach his own but for me it's the stability (not flipping over easy) that's way more important than speed
Aliex Fishing
Aliex Fishing - 7 years ago
Pa 14 is. Too. Heavy for me and slow
Anthony Blanton
Anthony Blanton - 7 years ago
Aliex, while I don't disagree that Hobies are pricey, you do to a large degree get what you pay for.  Hobie's mirage drive system is still the best out there in my opinion - it's simpler, easier to maintain, works better in shallow water and grass, and is faster than the other prop based pedal drives.  Hobie also really stands behind their products, and although pricey, they keep parts that are easy to get for even their old kayaks.  The other thing, Hobie dealers all charge the same price.  So although there are no "deals" on new ones like you mentioned on your Slayer, the resale value is much better protected!  Imagine the guy that bought his new Slayer 13 for $2700, then he finds out you paid $1800 for the same boat at the same time!  Then imagine what it does for him at resale too!  Plus, my Hobies have been much faster and less tiring/more efficient for me than any of my Native products - and I really do like native a lot, but feel Hobie has them beat in pedal drives, unless you really need to use reverse all the time, then the quick to reverse feature is better than even the new Hobie reverse.  As for Wilderness Systems and Perception Drives, they already have problems!  The quality on those is not great, even to the point Wilderness just recalled all of their pedal drive units from their dealers, and that's AFTER the dealers waiting three years on them to get it right before they released it!  Check the resale on that Perception Pilot pedal drive too in a few years.  Although the entry price is much less, in that case, you definitely get what you pay for!  As for me, I've had almost everything out there, and for the pedal drives, I've yet to see anyone come close to Hobie for overall performance, quality, customer service/support and resale.
Adrian Acosta
Adrian Acosta - 7 years ago
Major trolling here. You just compared a Kia to a Cadillac and say it's Cadillac fault, SMH. You get what you pay for.
Aliex Fishing
Aliex Fishing - 7 years ago
+Adrian Acosta no really I compared my slayer propel which is a Lincoln to a hobie Cadillac
mike gordon
mike gordon - 7 years ago
I have a Hobie PA 12 2016 and love it and paid lot more up here in Canada then you did in usa but if its to much dont buy it plain and simple i love the quality and there service is great .
Aliex Fishing
Aliex Fishing - 7 years ago
+mike gordon I did my research and I tested all of them the PA the outback the revo the slayer all of then
Aliex Fishing
Aliex Fishing - 7 years ago
+mike gordon looks like we won't convince each other, no matter we love kayak fishing... Hey I do have way more videos than this one.... I would appreciate if you subscribe and check the others videos
mike gordon
mike gordon - 7 years ago
Do your research its only comparable to the outback NOT the PA..............
mike gordon
mike gordon - 7 years ago
Aliex there not the same kayak you cant compare lol
Aliex Fishing
Aliex Fishing - 7 years ago
+Mike Gordon stability depends on more factors than just how wide a kayak is
Aliex Fishing
Aliex Fishing - 7 years ago
+Mike Gordon come down let's test it
Aliex Fishing
Aliex Fishing - 7 years ago
+mike gordon no the outback does not compare, it is much slower, borrowers and much less stable
Mike Gordon
Mike Gordon - 7 years ago
not near as stable when ur 31 inches wide im 36 and 14 ft is wider think 38
Mike Gordon
Mike Gordon - 7 years ago
Aliex Folgueira Buddy I race you and would win plus we aren't paddling we are peddling lol
Aliex Fishing
Aliex Fishing - 7 years ago
+mike gordon my slayer is faster, easier to paddle super stable, high enough. You can check my videos where I tested those factors
mike gordon
mike gordon - 7 years ago
The only Hobie you can compare is outback and there same price i just looked at us prices and the Hobie PA is in a much higher class with its width to seat and room tackle management system in floor and lots more... not on same playing field by a mile lol
mike gordon
mike gordon - 7 years ago
Hobie has a bigger platform and more stable plus i have read the Advantage seat is higher then slayer and dont have ur knees in ur chest plus the mirage comes up to bottom of kayak in shallow water where the slayer u have to pull it out . Hobie has been around for 60 years btw . Again pay for what u buy .
Aliex Fishing
Aliex Fishing - 7 years ago
+mike gordon the pdl and slayer propel are better boats than the PA 12 and 14 for a far cheaper price.
mike gordon
mike gordon - 7 years ago
Our dollar sucks is why against the us dollar but again you pay for what u get . Buy a BMW or a buy a smart car lol . Hobie isnt at fault its no different then anything out there its inflation and nothing is cheap anymore lol
Aliex Fishing
Aliex Fishing - 7 years ago
+mike gordon why are they so much more expensive in Canada?
Ray jones
Ray jones - 7 years ago
How about this but boat so I dont have to slow down in my boat and let the yak heads cross the channel... takes forever WOAH! BABY!
Malte Montana
Malte Montana - 7 years ago
Here in Germany I would have to pay about 4500€ for a brand new one including taxes and shipping.
Aliex Fishing
Aliex Fishing - 7 years ago
+Malte Montana what??????? Move to the states
John C Ayers
John C Ayers - 7 years ago
Let me get this straight, Your mad because Hobie set the bar? Sorry buddy but your video makes no sense to me. By your logic that would mean (and lets keep this apples to apples), all boats would be cheap because their are other boats that are cheap. Your reasoning is off. If the demand is there, along with quality, you can get away with making it cost more. Name another product that doesnt do it that way... And with all the reselling of kayaks (by your reasoning) the prices should have dropped. In addition, if the only reason people dont like hobies is the price... that's not a reason they dont like it. That means they do like it, they just cant afford it.
Aliex Fishing
Aliex Fishing - 7 years ago
+John C Ayers rewatch the video, hobie charged high prices because there was no competition, the other manufacturers also charged high prices when they came up with their products because of what hobie did. Kayak prices have gone up like crazy, hundreds of dollars up every year. But guess what they will be coming down, there is competition with the likes of the pilot and vibe kayaks. Also read your own post, your reasoning is way off, I can afford a hobie but I won't buy one because I won't pay the price so yes I don't like the prices they charge. There is a different between not willing to pay a set price and not being able to afford it. By the way these responses came from a Facebook group and most of them came from hobie owners themselves. Go back and rewatch the video
Duck Hook
Duck Hook - 7 years ago
If you got the money but the best.... HOBIE
Raymond jones
Raymond jones - 7 years ago
i own a pro Angler and the cost is nothing to compare to my boat and fuel cost ramp fees all water sports cost money but eventually a kayak pays for itself regardless off price
Aliex Fishing
Aliex Fishing - 7 years ago
+Raymond jones true, very true
devestv
devestv - 7 years ago
I own a Predator PDL from Old Town. Price was $2,799, made a deal at the local show. Got $250 off the kayak and vendors were there to throw in a free Humminbird fish finder($350) with the purchase. Too good of a deal to pass up and loving it so far.

I looked at the Hobie PA with the new 180 drive. I believed it was $3,400+ with no deals. That 180 drive looked and felt flimsy. Plus, you still had to reach down to pull either a forward or reverse string to get the drive to adjust directions. I just pedal backwards in my PDL and voila!!! I'm moving backwards.
Aliex Fishing
Aliex Fishing - 7 years ago
+devestv there you go, that's how it is done. You can get deals on any other brands and get high quality stuff. Great job!
AnglerX
AnglerX - 7 years ago
I didn't read all the comments but I'm sure it opened up a can of worms,lol. Good points and here's my take. I've been racking my brain, countless hours on line and going to and talking to dealers trying to find any one major flaw with Hobie, Old Town PDL and Native. All of them have their flaws and shine in different areas. I'm torn between a Old Town PDL and a Hobie PA12 and I'm pretty sure I'm going with a Hobie PA12 and here's some pros and cons I've found so far:

Hobie PA12 Pros: Wider boat, the most stable kayak, tons and tons of storage and room to move, a well thought out lay out and really no need to drill out anything for accessories. Comes with paddle and a few accessories and the drive system has been proven for almost 20 years.

Cons: Price, some have said front hatch leaks and sometimes the anchor trolley doesn't fit for whatever reason and for a company that boasts about being the best and quality craftsmanship those shouldn't be an issue.

OldTown PDL pros: Price is a lot cheaper, good pedal drive system (so far) comes with basically everything you need to mount everything for fishing like gear racks, battery bag, comfy seat good rudder system, lighter but only about 10lbs difference between the two, drive system floats, lots of leg room and just looks better.

Old Town cons: Comfortable seat but no high-low position, the seat has storage under the seat but can barely fit a 3700 series box and if your sitting on the seat and try to get that box out it's a struggle, not a lot of storage IMO, (I'd have to fit my Black Pak sideways behind the seat and after that's in there, there's basically a tiny little area that might fit a small soft side 6 pack cooler), cramped cockpit as far as left and right area, not as stable I'd imagine only being about 24-25" on the inside deck whereas the Hobie is about 33".

These are just my findings and opinions so far after a lot of research. I kind of looked at it like building a garage, if you have the space and a little bit of extra money than build your garage a bit bigger because your going to regret not building it bigger when you had the chance. All of these are fine boats and will last a very long time if taken care of, it comes down to personal opinions and needs. If your a minimalist and only go out fishing with a couple poles and a couple small plano boxes than the PDL or Native will have a lot more room than it would for me. When I go tournament fishing I bring a Black Pak loaded with about 4-6 rod set ups and all the tackle, a cooler for food and drinks and a larger dry bag with miscellaneous things, that's where the Old Town and Native gets messy for me. IMO these prices aren't coming down so if I'm going to invest roughly 3k on a kayak I'd rather spend a few hundred bucks more and get one that I can grow into and not be regretting I had more room. I hope this helps anyone on the fence because I certainly understand how much of a hassle this can be. Tight lines!
AnglerX
AnglerX - 7 years ago
I don't disagree with you, I think they're all over priced. As far as length, yes a PDL is longer by over a foot but I bet the PA12 still has 30% more room and storage due to it's width and layout. As far as being 500 more...yes and that's the struggle I had for weeks! But in the end, I found the PA12 to be a more stable and comfortable kayak, way more storage and just a better layout for my needs and my thinking was if I'm already spending close to 3k what's a few hundred more to get a kayak that will fit me 100%. I fish fresh waters in the Great Lakes for Bass primarily and the occasional lake trips for Steelhead and Walleye and I didn't buy the PA12 to paddle.
Aliex Fishing
Aliex Fishing - 7 years ago
+AnglerX the PA 12 is smaller than the pdl, and cost $500 more. Also where do u fish? Because the pro angler is a pain to paddle
Christian Flierl
Christian Flierl - 7 years ago
The price of any good or service is based on the supply and demand for that product or service. As far as I can tell, Hobie has no competition to their Mirage Drive. No competition means low supply and high demand and therefore, high price point. That's why I bought the outback. Additionally, I can stand in the Outback comfortably even in adverse conditions with no problem. I haven't seen any other yak fishermen standing in their kayaks. Anyways, great vid and keep up the good work!
Aliex Fishing
Aliex Fishing - 7 years ago
Christian Flierl thanks Christian
808strykr
808strykr - 7 years ago
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Aliex Fishing
Aliex Fishing - 7 years ago
+808strykr yooo
Mark Smith
Mark Smith - 7 years ago
if you have credit you can get a personal loan to buy a hobie and pay it off month by month... just pay a little extra each payment to principle so you don't get raped too much by interest
C Leh
C Leh - 6 years ago
Lol take a loan out to get a kayak. Smart.
Aliex Fishing
Aliex Fishing - 7 years ago
Mark Smith or also save a little every month
Mike Fisher
Mike Fisher - 7 years ago
You also have to consider how well a company stands behind their product. My experience with Hobie is that they and their dealers take care of their customers very well. As someone else stated, quality is something you have to pay for. You want a kayak that will still be relevant 10 or 20 years down the road? Hobie for sure. I do understand the hesitation to spend the money. My first kayak was much cheaper to be sure I enjoyed the sport. I fish on a fully loaded 2016 Hobie PA 17t. More videos to come in 2017!
Aliex Fishing
Aliex Fishing - 7 years ago
Mike Fisher I agreed with you
Muscle man
Muscle man - 7 years ago
My beef with hobie is the shape of their yaks, the mirage is unbeatable. I wish I could have a malibu x factor with mirage, or a prowler with mirage.
Aliex Fishing
Aliex Fishing - 7 years ago
+Required Shrimp I know they have weird shapes, I was on the water on a revo 11 yesterday for hours I started hating it but after a while I learned how to use it and it was fun.
SlikRik
SlikRik - 7 years ago
comments are helpful , I`m hoping to upgrade from a paddle yak to a Hobie or pdl ,i fish open bays and BTB .
A local dealer has demo day soon which should help with my decision
SlikRik
SlikRik - 7 years ago
Aliex Folgueira that's not good
Aliex Fishing
Aliex Fishing - 7 years ago
+SlikRik “SlikRik” awesome, if you haven't try one yet it will feel like going up a hill on a bike
wilsocn
wilsocn - 7 years ago
For freshwater fishing when holding tight to structure is important then I think a prop based system is the way to go so you have immediate access to forward and reverse. I know that Hobie has the new 180 drive but it seems awkward at best having to pull cords to basically switch gears. If I fished salt in open water or the flats then I probably wouldn't give two flips about instant reverse.
Aliex Fishing
Aliex Fishing - 7 years ago
+wilsocn Ocean fishing with heavy currents the propel with easy reverse without changing gears is a big plus for maintaining position
Mymh13
Mymh13 - 7 years ago
I think it's a bit more nuanced than "because of the price", but the cost certainly don't flatter Hobie, and your comparison with Apple I'll certainly agree with. I say this as a (happy) Hobie Outback 2017-owner.

But I'll add two more things: fishing with your hands free (pedalling) is worth heaps, at least where I live, not just for trolling. We have alot of smaller lakes where boat engines are not allowed, and you try to fish vertical or pelagic by constantly rowing a boat or paddeling.. compared to having a pedalling kayak that keeps you in place. It just opens the world for you. Not to mention compared to paddeling kayaks you "win" some in speed/distance and endurance.

That said, there sure is some cheaper propeller based pedalling kayaks (not Native tho, they're Samsung if Hobie is Apple. :D). What is the major selling point for Hobie, imho, is simply their fins. It's that simple.

Is it worth the money? Only the buyer can answer that. I know my Outback opens up a world no other floating machine can do, bar another pedalling kayak. I also know a Native compares in price, but is less sexy if I'm going over weed, or rocks, and need to pull my fins/propeller up. The chinese pedalling cheaper kayaks tends to be shorter and fatter, which is great if you want to go in smaller systems, but my Outback I can also readily go offshore or longer distance. I'm really not sure what can compete with the Outbacks versatility. Native is the closest, but I'd pay something similar, and I'd get a pedalling system that I feel is slightly less "good" (that's subjective, but my archipelago and lakes have alot of mixed depth and weed and rocks).

If I didn't go for the Outback, I think I'd much rather get a cheap chinese pedalling kayak than a Native. It's basicly fins > propeller, and pedal > paddle. In my world. People on the forums that replied to you were right, it's mainly the price. But the nuanced part I mentioned, is simply that fins > propeller, and free hands = worth alot.
HOOKDUP
HOOKDUP - 7 years ago
It sounds like hobie has a bit of a monopoly on the pedal drive kayak market that allows them to charge so much even though the value is not worth the price they charge.
Aliex Fishing
Aliex Fishing - 7 years ago
+Duck Hook 10000000000000000% agree with you
Duck Hook
Duck Hook - 7 years ago
value is perception, it's in the eye of the beholder.
Mike Jordan
Mike Jordan - 7 years ago
but soooo true
HOOKDUP
HOOKDUP - 7 years ago
that will probably change once the chinese find A way to make A knock off at half the price.
Aliex Fishing
Aliex Fishing - 7 years ago
+HOOKDUP sometimes it feels like that, I just fished on a tournament and 97%of the yaks I saw were hobies
Rory Dimov
Rory Dimov - 7 years ago
I appreciate the concept of this video and I agree that the prices of kayaks seem to be out of control. That said Hobie is solely responsible for the prices of Hobie kayaks. The greed of other companies are responsible for gouging their customers to receive almost as much as Hobies when they are selling an inferior product. Hobie initially had no competition yet they were the only company with the pedal drive system. They could command more money because it was a better product that completely outperformed all other kayaks.

Next Hobie addressed the issue of comfort with the introduction of the Pro Angler and the new cool seat that debuted in 2013. After such enormous success, they adopted a similar seat in all of their kayaks in 2015. As I am sure you can understand this resulted in a slight increase in the cost.

They also made an improvement to the mirage drive in 2015 which increased the performance yet again making it more efficient. Effectively it became easier to pedal the kayak at the same speed as with a previous generation mirage drive or you could go faster with the newer version with the same effort. Also resulting in a slight increased cost of their kayaks.

Propel was introduced as a direct response to the mirage drive but it was not as good and unable to keep up. On a positive note, propel was able to go in reverse which was an improvement over the mirage drive. Since the inception of the propel drive , I am unaware of any product development resulting in any improvements to their pedal drive system. Any company developed trolling or electric drive units were obviously not the answer since they also added a couple thousand dollars to the price tag.

Finally, for 2017 model Hobie kayaks the mirage drive was redesigned to yield even higher efficiency AND they introduced the improvement we have all been waiting for...REVERSE. Is anyone surprised that there was another slight increase in the prices for Hobie kayaks yet again. Not really.

I think that Hobie has the best product out there for the application that I am looking for, a pedal drive fishing machine. I am not a racer or looking to shoot rapids etc. sure there may be better kayaks out there for a specific application but I believe the Hobie will work better for me than any other, especially the 2017 models.

The thing I think is most ludicrous is that other greedy kayak companies think their products are worth almost as much as a Hobie kayak. Like products should be competing for like prices. It is truly sad that people are willing to pay the majority of the price of a Hobie for a kayak without a mirage drive. If you think about it. Most kayaks these days are merely floating pieces of plastic with nearly ZERO technology in them. All I can say is that at least with a Hobie, you get what you pay for and if it is not a Hobie then you are truly being overcharged.
Aliex Fishing
Aliex Fishing - 7 years ago
+Rory Dimov when I tested the hobies I didn't like them, I felt that the outback was too unstable to me and the pro angler was too slow and bulky. That was 2014, maybe that changed I'll test them again. I don't think that a slight improvement on the drive or the seat would allow then to charge 100 to 200 more, not even Apple does that.
Elric Leano
Elric Leano - 7 years ago
This is the Socialist mentality! Let's bring everything down so more people can afford rather bring yourself up and go for the best! Oh, can't do that? We'll just HATE on it - Like my comment if you know what America was and WILL BE AGAIN!
Elric Leano
Elric Leano - 7 years ago
Hey, you're entitled to your opinion. I came off too strong. I apologize. You get what you pay for. No hard feelings.
Aliex Fishing
Aliex Fishing - 7 years ago
+Elric Leano I said I wasn't going to respond to comments like this but dude I have to. Do you know what socialist is? Government control pricing!!!!!! This is a free market solution, where we the buyers decided to buy a cheaper product which will forced companies over charging for theirs to lower their prices or increase their products quality to justify the price. There
Bud Farkus
Bud Farkus - 7 years ago
Wrong bro...first let me say I have a half dozen quality yaks. all geared for fishing. Hobie is the best build hull material by far,yes sometimes a bit heavier than some. I love my Jackson's and Natives too and they all have slight disadvantages or advantages,but manytimes those differences are personal taste. All prices are going up on all yaks,but don't be afraid to buy used.The new hobie drive should be great,hats off to hobie and other manufacturers for putting out great stuff. these are great choices or problems to have..right.
Aliex Fishing
Aliex Fishing - 7 years ago
Aliex Fishing
Aliex Fishing - 7 years ago
+Bud Farkus thanks Bud, be safe out there too, watch this why people love video I made too, let me know what you think https://youtu.be/Czc9L1eoZDw
Bud Farkus
Bud Farkus - 7 years ago
Yeah I suppose you did mention the dislike was price on hobie. But heard same complaint about price on other yaks with peddle drives. Sorry but just didn't see the point of this I guess,none the less good effort doing the video.Be safe on the water.
Aliex Fishing
Aliex Fishing - 7 years ago
+Bud Farkus kayak prices are crazy, I asked people why they don't like hobie, and they said price
Milton Quadros
Milton Quadros - 7 years ago
I've had several other kayaks in Brazil, nothing is like Hobie. And Hobie's after-sales support is fabulous. Worth every penny of its price.
Aliex Fishing
Aliex Fishing - 7 years ago
+Milton Quadros it works for a lot of people
jroyero
jroyero - 7 years ago
There will always be ppl who will overspend just to have. Look at Apple. But also you are buying a very reliable product, which to be in the middle of the ocean you want a dependable kayak. Everything has its pros and cons. The price happened because the consumer let it happen.
AFORWW
AFORWW - 6 years ago
It's floating plastic.... Reliable? Lol that's a gimmick
Aliex Fishing
Aliex Fishing - 7 years ago
+jroyero yup, I also hear that they break easily too, so maybe it is all smoke and mirrors, the mirage drive blade can be easily cut with the fishing line
asterisc
asterisc - 7 years ago
Alex, I hate to burst your bubble and I appreciate you're trying to give honest feedback, but the reality of it is, kayak prices will not be going down any time soon if you want a full featured kayak. The pilot is a good deal because they cut corners wherever they could and it's showing with all the problems they've had already. Don't be surprised to see the price raised $100 next year or sooner. Furthermore, the cost of materials and manufacturing is not going down either. This is not like electronics where companies move on from tech quickly and the old tech gets cheaper. Furthermore, you're failing to take into account the cost of research, development, testing, warranty, scrap, shipping, marketing, taxes, insurance, power etc... Just some food for thought. Have a great day.
Aliex Fishing
Aliex Fishing - 7 years ago
+Mike Jordan hi Mike thank you for watching z I can't wait for kayaks prices to go down instead of up. If you are interested in the pilot, check my pilot playlist Perception Pescador Pilot 12 Pedal Drive Kayak: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLfXm-PtTlrvx1jRmEhUeCuo3WkweLqyFX
Mike Jordan
Mike Jordan - 7 years ago
the goal of any company is to make a profit. Kayak fishing is such a niche market that prices will prolly stay high unless it becomes more popular and someone figures out a way to be the Metro PCS of kayaking. I have a $500.00 lifetime kayak and will more than likely buy a pedal in a year or two. if the Pilot is getting good reviews then i will get one if not who knows. just cant see blowing 3k on something like a kayak when i could use that to fly to the Philippines for a week.
Aliex Fishing
Aliex Fishing - 7 years ago
+asterisc hi, R&D should be covered by now, prices are going up artificially.
V Ounnarath
V Ounnarath - 7 years ago
i don't hate or can complain about my 2014' outback. Why because i got it for dirty CHEAP!!! $1200 used and in great condition. It came with turbofin, sailing rudder, and a hobie beach cart. For that price you can't pass it up. If i would have to pay $2600 i would hate it.
P A
P A - 6 years ago
$1700 brand new
Yak Motley
Yak Motley - 7 years ago
V Ounnarath I love my 2014! Great yak !
Aliex Fishing
Aliex Fishing - 7 years ago
+V Ounnarath I like old Town predators but they are too expensive, it competes with the pro angler so it is cheaper there, but I rather get the slayer propel 13
V Ounnarath
V Ounnarath - 7 years ago
what is your opinion on the new predator pdl? it seem like this certain kayak is alittle more expensive than hobie and the slayer.
Aliex Fishing
Aliex Fishing - 7 years ago
+V Ounnarath agree
David Brown
David Brown - 7 years ago
Bought 2015 Hobie outback loaded for the same price you bought yours. I love it! My buddies are buying $50,000 bass boats so a couple thousand is small in comparison.
David Brown
David Brown - 7 years ago
I paid the same as you did for a Hobie 1 year old loaded with fish finder, and several hundred dollars in accessories. Hobie has a better resale value than the other kayaks
Aliex Fishing
Aliex Fishing - 7 years ago
+David Brown true, what hobie did you buy?
Jared Hughett
Jared Hughett - 7 years ago
So did he do this video before or after his Perception's drive crapped out? I waited a long time to get my 2016 Outback. Absolutely no regrets. I have a lot of different fishing kayaks and my Outback is very well made. Overpriced? I dunno maybe. Expensive? Definitely. Good to see other companies jumping on board with pedal drives and trying to offer them at lower prices. But a 1st gen perception is gonna have issues IMO. And several others prob will also. Mirage drive is what guys?..15 years old?
Key Largo Kayak Fishing
Key Largo Kayak Fishing - 7 years ago
I absolutely love my Hobies!!!!! I have 2, a Mirage Revo 11 and a Pro Angler 14 I also have a few other kayaks but my Hobies are my favorite nothing could beat them. I do agree that it is overpriced though, the only down fall.
Aliex Fishing
Aliex Fishing - 7 years ago
+Ed Jenkins man 2800 is an awesome deal, I would buy it too, I would also bet the sad wheel car to go with it
E J
E J - 7 years ago
I purchased a new 2016 Hobie PA 14 in November 2016 for $2800...i consider it a good deal brought on by the upcoming 2017 PA 14 with reverse drive. I have been on several trips in the Louisiana marsh near the Gulf of Mexico, transport in in the bed of my F-150 using a boonedox tbone bed extender. The boat stays mostly dry in the cockpit. Absolutely no regrets! I had to dodge rain storms yesterday. My PA 15 moved through whitecap conditions like a champ. I am willing to spend if it is worth it. Thanks Hobie for a quality product that I plan to put more $$$ into!
Key Largo Kayak Fishing
Key Largo Kayak Fishing - 7 years ago
That's about all I can think about for now
Key Largo Kayak Fishing
Key Largo Kayak Fishing - 7 years ago
Aliex Folgueira 1. The ability to go in skinny water and beach the boat by just pushing your pedals 2. I really dislike the bike motion while fishing 3.I love the space I have and the hatches 4. I need speed down here when I'm trying to get away from annoying FWC officers (disclaimer I appreciate what they do but sometimes they take the power to their head by stopping a kayak) 5. The ability to tell people who want to go fishing with me that I have 2 Hobies and they are automatically ready to go fishing with me.
Aliex Fishing
Aliex Fishing - 7 years ago
+Key Largo Kayak Fishing yoooooo why do you love them??? I'm making a video Why people love them!!
Pesca de kayak Portugal
Pesca de kayak Portugal - 7 years ago
Fishing is not speed, I need space, stability, I need NOT to have stabilizers, I need storage.
I'm going on my 21st kayak, I belong to the best TEAM in Europe, I've been kayaking since 2002, I know that hobie is the worst kayak I've ever seen!
https://www.facebook.com/FishYakersTeam/?ref=settings
Márcio Costa
Márcio Costa - 7 years ago
Rui Carvalho not sure if it's a joke
Pesca de kayak Portugal
Pesca de kayak Portugal - 7 years ago
Any pedal kayak with propeller is better than any Hobie.
Aliex Fishing
Aliex Fishing - 7 years ago
+Rui Carvalho I like the bike motion better too
mike johnson
mike johnson - 7 years ago
Of course, poor people wouldn't like Hobie of $$$$$$$
Aliex Fishing
Aliex Fishing - 7 years ago
Not just poor people, lots of people with money woudn't buy a hobie, thats why they have money :)
Adolfo Arrieta
Adolfo Arrieta - 7 years ago
People like Hobbie because of the pedal system but Nowaday There are many other options. and cheaper ones. Hobbie makes good kayaks Like others too.
Aliex Fishing
Aliex Fishing - 7 years ago
+Adolfo Arrieta competition is good
Let's Go Fishing! South Florida
Let's Go Fishing! South Florida - 7 years ago
Don't buy the name but rather buy what suits your lifestyle. It's as simple as that!
one and one
one and one - 6 years ago
I would think there's a decent aftermarket of the usual guys who haven't used their rig in a long time who wouldn't mind selling it just so they don't have to look at it every day. A given percentage will get all excited, buy this thing and after two or three trips, it's collecting dust. You should be able to pick one up for a "friendly" price.
Aliex Fishing
Aliex Fishing - 7 years ago
+Let's Go Fishing! South Florida 100% agree

100. comment for Why People Don't Like Hobie Kayaks

Fishing Channel
Fishing Channel - 7 years ago
don´t agree with you, imagine a Ferrari or a Porche, they are not responsable for Ford or Opel for example increase the prices, there are people who can pay and other who can´t, same in any other product
Roman Brown
Roman Brown - 7 years ago
you mean there are people stupid enough to pay more for inferior quality if it has a fancy label on it.  yes, marketers and engineers are well aware of that.
Aliex Fishing
Aliex Fishing - 7 years ago
+Fishing Channel I live in South Florida only snowed once here in recent memory 2010, killed countless fish. People in the north of USA go ice fishing I still ask myself how is that possible???
Fishing Channel
Fishing Channel - 7 years ago
not really, n Portugal we have 300+ of sun, think the entire year rain like 10 days, +17º (but that is cold for me ) don´t understand how you guys can ice fishing lol
Aliex Fishing
Aliex Fishing - 7 years ago
+Fishing Channel I agreed people often pay more for the "brand" not so much the quality. Is it cold over there now?
Fishing Channel
Fishing Channel - 7 years ago
at the end of the day is all market, imagine that you have a product that sell for 5000Euros, would you down to 1000? some people like to pay for exclusivity, not my case, I don´t have a Ferrari, I believe if they put prices lower people will think they don´t have quality, I am in Portugal but do you want one example of this? Van Stall even us here know the brand and want one reel for that absurd money now that they are cheaper nobody want them and all say they are made in China
Aliex Fishing
Aliex Fishing - 7 years ago
+Fishing Channel there was competition in the ultra expensive car market, not so much on the pedal kayak market, that's a key difference
Fred Fable
Fred Fable - 7 years ago
There si something I still dont understand...

Why the pedal drive only, not the kayak(or the hobbie system) is priced around 1.000 when super mountain bike, with gears, more aluminum, specialized breaks, seat, etc is only a half?

Dont say is "development" cost or something like that...is a plain abuse.
The biggest cons of any of both system is the price.

The hull design and material is Ok. I understand that point, more material...more difficut to build...but a simple rack and pinion with pedals 1.000 Dollars? is a rip off....
Fred Fable
Fred Fable - 7 years ago
Yo should buy two, then. (LOL)
Aliex Fishing
Aliex Fishing - 7 years ago
+Fred Fable I know me got me a deal!! $800 off
Fred Fable
Fred Fable - 7 years ago
Your slayer is 2600/2400 green bills bud!!
The "pescador" is the cheaper one at 1800...bucks.
Aliex Fishing
Aliex Fishing - 7 years ago
+Fred Fable total ripoff I covered on the video they charge a $1000 cus tray can, hobie made it possible. I'm happy to say I only paid $1800for my slayer brand new!
Key West Kayak Fishing
Key West Kayak Fishing - 7 years ago
Wilderness Systems Tarpon 140 FOR LIFE (Flashes Wilderness Systems gang sign).
Aliex Fishing
Aliex Fishing - 7 years ago
+Rob T Steve is the man!
Aliex Fishing
Aliex Fishing - 7 years ago
+Key West Kayak Fishing hahah next video, did wildy lost it?
pghdave420
pghdave420 - 7 years ago
aliex youtube broken mirage drive plenty of videos.people say there top of the line but there peddle system breaks too
Texas tex
Texas tex - 7 years ago
Send me some lures.
pghdave420
pghdave420 - 7 years ago
go buy some lures
Duck Hook
Duck Hook - 7 years ago
i had a yak attack big rig and got a 2017 hobie pa 14. It blows the big rig away in the wind, and it's always windy at the lake. Yep, it's a lot of money but I would buy it all again. There is no comparison to the two as fishing machines. To be able to fish and with a peddle system rudder and a skeg is great.
gabe428
gabe428 - 7 years ago
Good point Alex,
the prices are ridiculous, let alone at the end of the day you are talking PLASTIC!! that's all they are PLASTIC.. even Jackson kayaks and other non pedal drive kayaks going for almost 2k and ovee.. man for 3k how is it that you can almost for that much buy a great GHEENOE? a lot is image and these companies getting pros, and dealerships to push their product that's the expensive kayaks ONLY AND BEST WAY TO GO.. Are pedal drives great? YES THEY ARE, but at those price points? NO..
All these companies can just get so many more people on the water If they brought the prices down. let me tell you, I started kayak fishing years ago on my 1st Pelican 116dx Castaway, from sports authority for $450 after some discounts and store sale. a great built kayak rotomolded, STILL IN MY GARAGE has CAUGHT more fish then my other upgraded kayaks. If Pelican came out with pedal drive system I'll be all over it..knowing the price point will be affordable not perfect but backed up by great customer service.. Pelican has always kept their kayak under 1k, affordable. Everyone thrn putting me down once on the water, ""you have a pelican? when you going to get rid of that kayak?"" I'm like why? easy to load, get in the water, doesn't track the best but does the job. AND never flipped because I did research on pelican and their pro engineers had made it to have great SECONDARY BALANCE which a lot of people don't even know or talk about enough. you have kayaks made with primary and secondary balance. some better built with good primary not so good secondary. HOBIE one of them great primary balance but not so good secondary. where pelican has good both primary and secondary. I can reach to my left and right behind my seat on a 28 inch pelican kayak and not flip, it tilts like if you about to, but it holds. I'm still learning about primary and secondary balancing on kayaks but it's interesting information, which makes you wonder why people say they always flip on Hobie outbacks while in open water coming in or when mild rough waves in open water, or when they fight big fish.. something to think about..
Aliex Fishing
Aliex Fishing - 7 years ago
+gabe428 I feel ya Gabe, I caught more fish on my old lifetime sport fisher than my other 3 kayaks combined $450 >vs $6000
Duy Ngo
Duy Ngo - 7 years ago
i like the mirage drive, but other than the Pro Angler..the kayaks looks and feels so dated. like how you compared them to apple. they can just add a few extra minor updates on an existing old platform (like adding rubberized pockets) and call it a day. and people still eat them up. its become more of a fashion accessory amongst kayak fisherman seeing the Hobie name.
Aliex Fishing
Aliex Fishing - 7 years ago
+Duy Ngo you are 100% correct, right on
Rodney Harris
Rodney Harris - 7 years ago
Aliex Folgueira great video man!!! Sounds like you know your kayak!! Take care and tight lines!!!
Aliex Fishing
Aliex Fishing - 7 years ago
+Rodney Harris thanks Rodney
Márcio Costa
Márcio Costa - 7 years ago
Mirage Drive... that's the main reason! I own a Revo 16. Mention one fishing kayak that can keep up with me!
SuperBardley
SuperBardley - 7 years ago
My Revo-16 is my fishing yak specifically for its speed and power.  I fish the Cali Central Coast and we have big waves, big current, big winds, so a boat that is super seaworthy, fast, and powerful is the goal.  

It is fast because it is long and narrow.  Beginners get scared away by the "narrow" part, but like riding a bike, once one gets some experience, that initial twitchiness goes away and the narrowness is desirable.  Because I am a fly fisherman, I understand that "less is more," so I aim to use a limited, efficient, targeted kit when on the water; therefore, the Revo-16's more confined/limited cockpit features aren't a problem for me, they actually help keep things tidier and more controlled.

I haven't heard it talked about much, but for the conditions I fish, the raw power of the Mirage Drive with Turbo Fins is a huge deal.  I can easily power through 6' waves, make way against 3 & 4 knot tides, make progress against 15mph - 20mph winds, and I have towed other distressed kayaks for miles to safety.  Then there comes the part where that speed and power = increased range:  I get to fish places where other kayaks just cannot go; I get to go play with the power boats and then go fish the stuff they can't hit.  That increased range has everything to do with the fact that I get to use my legs, and they are good for >8 hour days.
Cal Crappie
Cal Crappie - 7 years ago
FireRob - The Revo 16/Adventure 16 is a fine fishing kayak. Pin point trolling passes and big time speed. One of the best for big water. The skinny beam tends to chase away some folks, but the reality is the boat will get you out of a shit storm if the winds pick up during a blow. The boat does not slap or pound like the wider beam boats. It cuts through waves because of it's low slung profile. What this means is that you can point the bow into big waves and foam and your big rudder and drive stay in the water powering forward. Most other "aircraft carrier" or wide rigs with extra freeboard can end up losing rudder control and forward progress because they are teeter tottering and being strongly affected by the waves and the wind. The Revo 16 will not be the driest ride (although totally dry in lighter winds). It takes only a few hours for your body memory to get used to the narrower beam. It then feels like a low slung sports car and not tippy all. I've owned for 6 years and love the battleship. Fun to watch the other kayaks tucked in near shore when it's white caps and I'm still out there trolling away.
FireRob 52
FireRob 52 - 7 years ago
Aliex Folgueira ah ok thanks for the clarification
Aliex Fishing
Aliex Fishing - 7 years ago
+FireRob 52 revo is a fishing kayak too, just much less stable
FireRob 52
FireRob 52 - 7 years ago
Is your Revo 16 actually considered a "fishing" kayak? I'm not super (or even half way) knowledgeable when it comes to Hobie so this is a serious question. My limited impression of the Revo is that it's not made for fishing and more of a cruiser type. There for (if my assessment is right) comparing your Revo's speed to any fishing kayak is unfair because a fishing kayak is not made for speed.
Jared Hughett
Jared Hughett - 7 years ago
Aliex Folgueira ye I thought kayaks were being discussed here.
Márcio Costa
Márcio Costa - 7 years ago
Fishing kayak? Stealth makes good and fast ones, but again, a pedal system makes world of difference for hands free fishing..
Márcio Costa
Márcio Costa - 7 years ago
Aliex Folgueira l mean, human powered only... I think Hobie deserves the status for invented and patented the best pedal system. And their quality is undeniable!
Pesca de kayak Portugal
Pesca de kayak Portugal - 7 years ago
Are the worst kayaks for fishing, in all aspects :p
Aliex Fishing
Aliex Fishing - 7 years ago
+Rui Carvalho now that I think about it they don't really offer a paddle kayak that is wow and their fishing lineup have some big holes. I hope they release a 13. 5 by 33 boat with lots of shortage and the mirage drive for $2600 or less
E J
E J - 7 years ago
Agree 1000%! I saved up and paid for what I knew would be a good kayak...and I tested many brands.
Aliex Fishing
Aliex Fishing - 7 years ago
+Rob T thanks Rob, yeah those $150 Walmart yaks are not safe but it will make for an awesome video!!
Aliex Fishing
Aliex Fishing - 7 years ago
Lol
pghdave420
pghdave420 - 7 years ago
lol ive had both.no hate on either of them
Aliex Fishing
Aliex Fishing - 7 years ago
+pghdave420 Ford guy here!
pghdave420
pghdave420 - 7 years ago
lol its like chevy vs ford your guna have people hate .
JT Kayak Fishing
JT Kayak Fishing - 7 years ago
hobies are the top of the line kayaks out right now, i say you pay for what you get. i love that they can use it on flat skinny water , with the new 180 mirage drive you can go fwd and reverse and you dont have to do that bicycle pedal front and backwards. with the hobies you push up and down which is way easier to pedal while fighting a big fish.. i know they are pricy but i dont regret it one bit.. soon ill be geting me a pro angler 12 as a second kayak
SuperBardley
SuperBardley - 7 years ago
The 180 Mirage Drive is ~$850 and will have virtually zero maintenance OR operating costs (gas & oil).  In certain states, like Cali, human powered craft do not require a boat registration, but as soon as a motor is added, then the reg is required as another cost.  A complete accounting shows that the pedal drive is probably cheaper in the long run.
Mike Fields
Mike Fields - 7 years ago
why do i hear about how there drive system freakin breaks so much . I actually want to buy one but am not confident that they make quality kayaks. fill me in thanks. what the frick are people droping the you get what you pay for stuff just because its expensive .
Taylor Hickman
Taylor Hickman - 7 years ago
but you have to reach down to change direction, with the others your hands never have to leave the rod.
Gene Lamb
Gene Lamb - 7 years ago
Yep, I saw that post. Looked awesome.
Aliex Fishing
Aliex Fishing - 7 years ago
+Gene Lamb Yeah JT told me about it yesterday, very versatile, you can even go snorkeling with it and about 1100 with the mount system
Gene Lamb
Gene Lamb - 7 years ago
I like my Torqueedo. If I had it to do over again I would probably get the Bixpy Jet. You could put it on your pedal kayak and have both options.
Aliex Fishing
Aliex Fishing - 7 years ago
+Gene Lamb I love the torqueedo, I always wanted one
Gene Lamb
Gene Lamb - 7 years ago
I have the Evolve, by torqueedo, mounted as the rudder on my Outback. It is a blast. You will love it.
JT Kayak Fishing
JT Kayak Fishing - 7 years ago
Aliex Folgueira , agree. they are new . i think i want to wait for the 2018s to come out to see if they upgrade . or even for used ones to come out for sale and get a bargain deal.. i really want wheel mounts.. so i can take to the beach or most locations with trails
Aliex Fishing
Aliex Fishing - 7 years ago
+J.T Fishing bro I like it I may have to thibk about it a cheap outboard could be 400 to 500 and the solo skiff, way cheaper than most pedal kayak
JT Kayak Fishing
JT Kayak Fishing - 7 years ago
Aliex Folgueira , they are as heavy as a hobie pro angler 14. $1800 without the outboard which is not bad.. the only con i think is that no wheels mounts .. the ones that they do make seem too bulky.. so you are forced to use on boat ramps only..
Aliex Fishing
Aliex Fishing - 7 years ago
Can use it with my tbone on the truck, how much are they?
Aliex Fishing
Aliex Fishing - 7 years ago
14.5 41 wide 150# Yeah that's a kayak!!!
Aliex Fishing
Aliex Fishing - 7 years ago
I have seen it, it looked like a boat to me
JT Kayak Fishing
JT Kayak Fishing - 7 years ago
Aliex Folgueira , the solo skiff is a kayak that has a outboard mount.
Aliex Fishing
Aliex Fishing - 7 years ago
+J.T Fishing I'm getting it
Aliex Fishing
Aliex Fishing - 7 years ago
+J.T Fishing that motor looks sweet!!!!!
Aliex Fishing
Aliex Fishing - 7 years ago
+J.T Fishing I like kayaks more versatile but I may get a small boat too
JT Kayak Fishing
JT Kayak Fishing - 7 years ago
Aliex Folgueira , there is a new company making electric motors for half the price (bixpy jet), maybe look into them.. if you are planning to go completely paddles why not ge those new solo skiff.. i really what one of those
Salty Devil Dog
Salty Devil Dog - 7 years ago
I absolutely love my 2017 Hobie Pro Angler 14. I'm able to go into way skinner water then the native or any other peddle drive kayak out and still able to use my mirage drive where any other peddle drive would have to pull their drive up and use their paddle. And since I have the 180 mirage drive I'm also able to go in reverse in that same skinny water.
Triston Rumpel • Toonzes •
Triston Rumpel • Toonzes • - 7 years ago
Salty Devil Dog don't the under paddles have a way to lay flat against the hull, for regular paddle mode?
Salty Devil Dog
Salty Devil Dog - 7 years ago
Aliex Folgueira I bought the Harbor Freight boat trailer that nearly all us PA 14 owners use. Do a search on YouTube and you'll see which one I'm talking about. You can also make the same set up for your Native. Before I take my PA off the trailer I lower my Boonedox landing gear and then it's simple to take off the trailer and move it to where ever I need to go. Once on the water raise landing gear and I'm out fishing. When I'm done I reverse the entire process. I have a metal rod in my back from surgery so there isn't a option of lifting a PA14.
pghdave420
pghdave420 - 7 years ago
peddle kayaks should be no more than 1500$ :).i have been searching for used ones to but no luck yet
Aliex Fishing
Aliex Fishing - 7 years ago
+pghdave420 agreed, good luck
Gene Lamb
Gene Lamb - 7 years ago
The Native Propel 13 which is in competition with the Hobie Outback is $2600.  That is $100 more than the Outback.  Hobie makes a quality product and if you want quality you have to pay for it.
Antrigen
Antrigen - 6 years ago
@SuperBardley I disagree with your statement that "without question, the Hobies are the most desirable boats out there, even as other pedal platforms come on line." IMO it is a matter of personal choice balanced with whatever type fishing you are doing. I prefer my 2017 Native Watercraft over my 2015 Hobie Outback and yes I own both down here in SW FL.
Aliex Fishing
Aliex Fishing - 7 years ago
+Randy Orwin the mirage drive is a really good drive, long lasting and low maintenance
Randy Orwin
Randy Orwin - 7 years ago
Ugo, I have been using Hobie Mirage drives since 2010, doing lots of time on the water and have never had any problems with my drives and we have drives in 6 boats. I don't even know anybody that has had problems with their drives.
Aliex Fishing
Aliex Fishing - 7 years ago
+SuperBardley I have a revo 11 and have put it thru lots of hardship and it is still performing
SuperBardley
SuperBardley - 7 years ago
I've sailed and kayaked a lot, so I have a good sense of the how/why marine equipment needs to be built and that is especially important when it comes to the advanced mechanics of the Hobie's Mirage Drive.  I own a Hobie Revo-16, I use it mostly in the very rough Pacific Ocean, and can say that Hobie has really designed and built it with the right tolerances, material choices (Delrin/industrial nylon, stainless steel, aluminum), and robustness; clearly, Hobie has ported over it's superior knowledge and products from their sailing line to the kayak line.  I've put 2 years of heavy use on my drive and it shows virtually no wear.

Remember, the drive is a mechanical device that must work in the extremely harsh environment of saltwater.  For those who have failures, it seems to me that A) the unit is old or used enough to merit failure/maintenance -- duh, nothing lasts forever; or B) the unit has been abused, as in it was not adequately cleaned after use -- even stainless steel will rust in saltwater -- and/or the drive was repeatedly exposed to abrasive sands or muds and did not get sufficiently cleaned; or C) the users allowed the unit to get out of specified adjustment, which would allow slop/excess play to enter the driveline and thereby suffer accelerated wear (operator error again).

I belong to one of the largest online kayak fishing forums on the internet, and without question, the Hobies are the most desirable boats out there, even as other pedal platforms come on line.  Hobie has put together a product range that combines features, reputation, and performance in a way that is very hard to beat.  I have found that their customer service is quite good too.  One thing that many people overlook is that Hobie's hulls are very strong, and I have observed this, their hulls are just tougher than many of the competitions' hulls, and that means their boats will just last longer.
Mike Fields
Mike Fields - 7 years ago
i was thinking of getting a hobie pa 14 untill i heard alot about how there drive systems break alot now im leaning titan 13.5. Im not buying into hobie makes quality not with all the stuff i hear about them breaking. but really fill me in am i wrong because i would actually love to drop the money on one but i am not confident that hobie makes a quality product.
Larry Talbot
Larry Talbot - 7 years ago
My father used to tell his friends, "if it floats and it doesn't fall apart when you land a big one, than its a good investment." He never lived to see the outrageous prices of Hobie kayaks, or I'm sure he would have had something to say about them too.
Roman Brown
Roman Brown - 7 years ago
whatever dude, I paid 130 dollars for a cheap little kayak ten years ago.  I have caught thousands of pounds of fish from it.  now if that aint quality, then I don't know what is.
Aliex Fishing
Aliex Fishing - 7 years ago
+pghdave420 yup
pghdave420
pghdave420 - 7 years ago
from everything aliex has recorded the slayer and perception look the same more than the hobie and slayer look alike.not cause of peddle system but the yak themselves look very close
Gene Lamb
Gene Lamb - 7 years ago
Everyone has their reasons for liking one kayak over another. All three of those are great kayaks. (Slayer, PDL and Outback.) There are other great kayaks out there also.
Duy Ngo
Duy Ngo - 7 years ago
Gene Lamb but new Hobies rarely if ever go on sale. this is how most high end retailers maintain the premium image. i was so set on an outback. i just assumed they were the best of the best. i picked up a PDL instead on sale for a couple hundred cheaper than a new Outback. way way way better kayak in my opinion after using both. and speaking about quality... my brothers outback constantly gets water coming in from the front hatch. now thats quality
Aliex Fishing
Aliex Fishing - 7 years ago
+Gene Lamb the manta is too small is more like the revolution 11, the outback has less storage, hold less gear, and is a little smaller than the slayer 13.. I would compare it more to the PA 12. When I tested the outback it felt less stable to me than the slayer. I think the Outback is a great boat I would love to have one, maybe one day
Gene Lamb
Gene Lamb - 7 years ago
I think you meant Manta Ray. I like the Outback better than the Manta Ray but would have a tough decision between the Slayer and the Outback .
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Gene Lamb
Gene Lamb6 minutes ago
I was on a Chat with the people at Delaware Paddlesports and they told me the the Slayer 13 is more like the Outback then the Manta Ray.
Gene Lamb
Gene Lamb - 7 years ago
I was on a Chat with the people at Delaware Paddlesports and they told me the the Slayer 13 is more like the Outback then the Manta Ray.
Gene Lamb
Gene Lamb - 7 years ago
I think you meant Manta Ray. I like the Outback better than the Manta Ray but would have a tough decision between the Slayer and the Outback .
Aliex Fishing
Aliex Fishing - 7 years ago
+Gene Lamb I think the slayer is in the middle, the titan will compete with the pro angler, the outback competes with the mariner. Hobie doesn't really have a product that competes with the slayer 13
curtis huffstutler
curtis huffstutler - 7 years ago
l get my kayaks on the cheep Craigslist. .first

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