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If you have any other suggestions, please put them in the comments, we'd love to hear your tips and advice for navigating where the charts don't go. 👍 If you enjoyed this video, please LIKE, COMMENT, SHARE & SUBSCRIBE, your feedback gets us noticed by YouTube and helps people discover us! Thank you. Some of the best places on earth are also the most difficult to navigate. If you don't want to rip off your rudder or open a hole in your hull watch this! We explain or on-board navigation system, the apps we use and the way in which we tackle this blue planets more challenging areas. There are a whole load of resources out there, so why not use them? We learned how best to tackle reef and bommie-strewn shallow waters in the Red Sea, then again in the Maldives and more recently in SE Asia. Charts just won't hack it in this kind of scenario, you need all your wits about you and senses on full alert to avoid a disaster...but it's worth it, because some of the places we've eased into have been simply spectacular. Fair winds and peaceful sailing! PS. After we recorded and posted this video Jamie received a thank you email from Navionics confirming that they have adjusted their charts for the Anambas. Hooray! --- 🔗 LINKS: NAVIONICS FOR ANDROID https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=it.navionics.singleAppUsaCanada&hl=en NAVIONICS FOR APPLE https://itunes.apple.com/us/developer/navionics/id294013906?mt=8 CMAP PLAN2NAV FOR ANDROID https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.jeppesen.plan2nav&hl=en CMAP PLAN2NAV FOR APPLE https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/c-map-plan2nav/id415917102?mt=8 TRANSAS iSAILOR FOR ANDROID https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.transas.uninav.plotter&hl=en TRANSAS iSAILOR FOR APPLE https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/transas-isailor/id398456162?mt=8 OPEN CPN https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.opencpn.opencpn_free&hl=en OPEN CPN WEBSITE https://opencpn.org/ OVITAL www.ovital.com/en/ ALL-IN-ONE OFFLINE MAPS FOR ANDROID https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.psyberia.offlinemapsplus&hl=en 🕮 E-BOOKS: 1. HOW TO BECOME A LIVEABOARD CRUISER! 2. HOW TO BUY A BOAT! https://followtheboat.com/product-category/publications/ --- 🛒 FOLLOWTHEBOAT SHOP: https://followtheboat.com/shop ✍️ SUBSCRIBE TO OUR WEBSITE FOR DISCOUNT CODES: https://followtheboat.com/contact/ --- 🙏 SAY THANKS THROUGH THE RUM FUND! http://followtheboat.com/THANKS/ 🙏 SUPPORT US ON PATREON! https://www.patreon.com/followtheboat --- LET'S CONNECT! 📷 INSTAGRAM http://www.instagram.com/followtheboat 👯 FACEBOOK https://www.facebook.com/followtheboat 📱 TWITTER https://twitter.com/followtheboat 🌎 FTB WEBSITE http://www.followtheboat.com 📧 JOIN OUR MAILING LIST: http://bit.ly/GET_EMAILS --- OUR GEAR: 📷 NEW CAMERA (Ep 68 onwards) Panasonic GH5 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RdIZyP7OEE 📷 OLD VIDEO CAMERA (Ep 1 - 67) Olympus OMD EM-5 Mk2 http://amzn.to/2s6TA5F 📸 MAIN VIDEO CAMERA LENS Olympus Zuiko 12mm prime http://amzn.to/2s6w0WF 🚁 4K DRONE DJi Mavic Pro http://amzn.to/2rfI0qN 🎥 LIZ'S 4K CAMCORDER Sony AX53 http://amzn.to/2s6EQn3 🎤 MAIN EXTERNAL CAMERA MIC Rode VideoMic Pro http://amzn.to/2s6qeUL 🎤 LIZ'S CAMERA EXTERNAL COMPACT MIC Rode Video Micro Compact http://amzn.to/2rfpsXC 🎙️ MAIN EXTERNAL FIELD MIC Roland R-05 http://amzn.to/2rfpdMk 🎙️ SECONDARY EXTERNAL FIELD MIC Zoom H1 http://amzn.to/2qs6yNR 🌊 WATERPROOF CAMERA Olympus Tough TG5 http://amzn.to/2quDykH 🏂 MAIN 4K SPORTS CAMERA GoPro Hero 4 Black http://amzn.to/2quLF0F 🏂 SECONDARY 4K SPORTS CAMERA SJCAM 5000X http://amzn.to/2rfnVki 👩‍💻 EDITING SOFTWARE Adobe Premiere Pro CC http://amzn.to/2rfrkQ8ons --- 🛳️ FOLLOW OUR MOVES WITH MMSI/AIS http://www.marinetraffic.com https://www.vesseltracker.com MMSI number: 235026188

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If you have any other suggestions, please put them in the comments, we'd love to hear your tips and advice for navigating where the charts don't go. 👍 If you enjoyed this video, please LIKE, COMMENT, SHARE & SUBSCRIBE, your feedback gets us noticed by YouTube and helps people discover us! Thank you. Some of the best places on earth are also the most difficult to navigate. If you don't want to rip off your rudder or open a hole in your hull watch this! We explain or on-board navigation system, the apps we use and the way in which we tackle this blue planets more challenging areas. There are a whole load of resources out there, so why not use them? We learned how best to tackle reef and bommie-strewn shallow waters in the Red Sea, then again in the Maldives and more recently in SE Asia. Charts just won't hack it in this kind of scenario, you need all your wits about you and senses on full alert to avoid a disaster...but it's worth it, because some of the places we've eased into have been simply spectacular. Fair winds and peaceful sailing! PS. After we recorded and posted this video Jamie received a thank you email from Navionics confirming that they have adjusted their charts for the Anambas. Hooray! --- 🔗 LINKS: NAVIONICS FOR ANDROID https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=it.navionics.singleAppUsaCanada&hl=en NAVIONICS FOR APPLE https://itunes.apple.com/us/developer/navionics/id294013906?mt=8 CMAP PLAN2NAV FOR ANDROID https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.jeppesen.plan2nav&hl=en CMAP PLAN2NAV FOR APPLE https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/c-map-plan2nav/id415917102?mt=8 TRANSAS iSAILOR FOR ANDROID https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.transas.uninav.plotter&hl=en TRANSAS iSAILOR FOR APPLE https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/transas-isailor/id398456162?mt=8 OPEN CPN https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.opencpn.opencpn_free&hl=en OPEN CPN WEBSITE https://opencpn.org/ OVITAL www.ovital.com/en/ ALL-IN-ONE OFFLINE MAPS FOR ANDROID https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.psyberia.offlinemapsplus&hl=en 🕮 E-BOOKS: 1. HOW TO BECOME A LIVEABOARD CRUISER! 2. HOW TO BUY A BOAT! https://followtheboat.com/product-category/publications/ --- 🛒 FOLLOWTHEBOAT SHOP: https://followtheboat.com/shop ✍️ SUBSCRIBE TO OUR WEBSITE FOR DISCOUNT CODES: https://followtheboat.com/contact/ --- 🙏 SAY THANKS THROUGH THE RUM FUND! http://followtheboat.com/THANKS/ 🙏 SUPPORT US ON PATREON! https://www.patreon.com/followtheboat --- LET'S CONNECT! 📷 INSTAGRAM http://www.instagram.com/followtheboat 👯 FACEBOOK https://www.facebook.com/followtheboat 📱 TWITTER https://twitter.com/followtheboat 🌎 FTB WEBSITE http://www.followtheboat.com 📧 JOIN OUR MAILING LIST: http://bit.ly/GET_EMAILS --- OUR GEAR: 📷 NEW CAMERA (Ep 68 onwards) Panasonic GH5 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RdIZyP7OEE 📷 OLD VIDEO CAMERA (Ep 1 - 67) Olympus OMD EM-5 Mk2 http://amzn.to/2s6TA5F 📸 MAIN VIDEO CAMERA LENS Olympus Zuiko 12mm prime http://amzn.to/2s6w0WF 🚁 4K DRONE DJi Mavic Pro http://amzn.to/2rfI0qN 🎥 LIZ'S 4K CAMCORDER Sony AX53 http://amzn.to/2s6EQn3 🎤 MAIN EXTERNAL CAMERA MIC Rode VideoMic Pro http://amzn.to/2s6qeUL 🎤 LIZ'S CAMERA EXTERNAL COMPACT MIC Rode Video Micro Compact http://amzn.to/2rfpsXC 🎙️ MAIN EXTERNAL FIELD MIC Roland R-05 http://amzn.to/2rfpdMk 🎙️ SECONDARY EXTERNAL FIELD MIC Zoom H1 http://amzn.to/2qs6yNR 🌊 WATERPROOF CAMERA Olympus Tough TG5 http://amzn.to/2quDykH 🏂 MAIN 4K SPORTS CAMERA GoPro Hero 4 Black http://amzn.to/2quLF0F 🏂 SECONDARY 4K SPORTS CAMERA SJCAM 5000X http://amzn.to/2rfnVki 👩‍💻 EDITING SOFTWARE Adobe Premiere Pro CC http://amzn.to/2rfrkQ8ons --- 🛳️ FOLLOW OUR MOVES WITH MMSI/AIS http://www.marinetraffic.com https://www.vesseltracker.com MMSI number: 235026188

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Sailing followtheboat
Sailing followtheboat - 3 years ago
Do you have an app you use for navigating which we don't know about. Or a tip for inching through reefs? What is your feeling about boat navigation. Pop a comment below, we would love to hear from you. Jamie and Liz (and Millie)
Sailing followtheboat
Sailing followtheboat - 3 years ago
Someone further down in the comments mentioned this camera: https://shop.runcam.com/runcam-night-eagle-2-pro/
Adventures of Graywolf
Adventures of Graywolf - 3 years ago
I've been thinking about some kind of camera at the top of the mast with a polarized filter but I haven't found anyone posting about that and no one I know has done it. Any ideas?
Googliebuts
Googliebuts - 3 years ago
Incredibly well-presented and very worthwhile information. I see a few posts about using spreader mounted or externally mounted cameras. Have you come across IR night vision cameras in your travels and if so any thoughts?
Douglas McGill
Douglas McGill - 3 years ago
Thamk you! Nice job again ! I cannot wait to see you two I gotta buy you dinner and drinks! Up grading to a 38ft !
mitch pender
mitch pender - 3 years ago
I use navionics , as i find it quite intuitive to use. One issue i find is, as it downloads areas as needed, ie at the planning stage, for some reason it has failed to download an area, something i dont realise until im out of phone coverage. I use open cpn as a backup (open source great for those on a budget) and have it pre loaded on all my laptops and devices , as i have worldwide raster charts preloaded , oh also have a garmin handheld.. I cant overlay my radar as it is an older but reliable furuno, but i constanly compare the gps with it. Crewing for Millie seems like a pretty good gig..
Björn Johansson
Björn Johansson - 3 years ago
thx this was rely a good help fore me im was just going too ask you about this 5555 :) big thx
greatings Bjorn
Billy m
Billy m - 3 years ago
Wow, this was so well done.  Not just the wealth of information but all the graphic overlays.  Bravo and thank you.
john wheeler
john wheeler - 3 years ago
I know some one who sailed in the solent with an AA map, true story
David Ward
David Ward - 3 years ago
I don’t understand any of that but it just shows the amount of information and the amount of things that go on in the background to keep you guys safe and going in the right direction. I’m blown away. x
Sailing followtheboat
Sailing followtheboat - 3 years ago
That's true of a lot of things, I guess. For example, I know a bicycle has two wheels, and that's where my knowledge ends. Liz x
Dean Moore
Dean Moore - 3 years ago
Have you thought about mounting a camera on the mast

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Olivier Blanquart
Olivier Blanquart - 3 years ago
I just found out that the "Maps" app in iOS or Mac is using satellite imagery from ESRI (at least for the two spots I checked in Thailand i.e. Samui and Koh Chang) which is sometimes better than Google imagery. Good to have both ESRI and Google imagery on board.
Sailing followtheboat
Sailing followtheboat - 3 years ago
Good to have both.
MAL L
MAL L - 3 years ago
I don't trust Navionics, to inaccurate! one example- a crew on my yacht brought along his Iphone with Navionics App, he wanted to use it to navigating out of a tricky inlet in the dark (early start before sunrise) one which had a dangerous rock at its entrance, the previous owner of my yacht warned me about it as he'd hit it (while racing/crewing on someone else's boat!) and also told me of a local yachtie that went all the way around the world but managed to hit this rock on his return! Not only did the Navionics fail to show the rock it didn't even show the Lighthouse and its nav light sequence! In contrast i had a new Garmin78sc hand held i'd bought as back up to the yachts plotter, it uses official charts and c-map, the detail was vary accurate and precise and i used it quite a bit for close quarters channel navigation. I'm sure a lot of these apps say not for navigation or some other disclaimer, a few guys i know use iSailor and like it, but i'll stick to Aus or Admiralty based charts, and like you i always have a paper chart of an area i plan to go at least an overview large scale one.
Call me Mark
Call me Mark - 3 years ago
Hi Jamie and Liz, really helpful like the Sat imagery overlay app, i use http://digitalyacht.co.uk/ on an Iphone and a Mac with a USB stick in UK waters, Fairly cheap to get the charts and has AIS plug in fairly decent with plotting routes. Mark & Julie
al math
al math - 3 years ago
Got to agree even for weekend saililing always use a lead line if I am anchoring over night, then there's now guessing even for scope of anchor. Thanks for the video
Kenneth Duborg
Kenneth Duborg - 3 years ago
Excellent video! I own a Garmin 92sv in the price range 1200 dollars plus the cost of cards. But in the coming season, I'm looking forward to using my 5 year old iPad with iSailor installed. Like you, I'm both excited and impressed with the quality and speed of the app and this set cost me about a tenth of my Garmin. I can realy see my iPad becoming my primary device. What additional packages have you purchased in iSailor?
Sailing followtheboat
Sailing followtheboat - 3 years ago
Yes, that was it, no sim card with our iPad.
Our Android devices come with built-in GPS, which doesn't require cell phone connection. I use Navionics all the time when my Android phone is offline.
It took us a while to work out that we had to pay for the facility to connect to Esper's wifi when using the iPad, and that's how we now get location on iSailor. A bit cheeky of Apple? Liz
Ian Swales
Ian Swales - 3 years ago
Hi Kenneth check you have a cellular iPad (one that takes a sim card) as those without do not have a gps receiver . If it does not have cellular then you can link a bluetooth or a plug in gps from Bad Elf, dual or garmin.
I have the the AIS additional purchase which is great but need the ais data from the cellular so you have to be in mobile phone range for that. If you have a AIS receiver on board with wifi you can get an additional package for that to display on isailor (worth looking at if you buying a new ais that it can transmit data by wifi.) I also purchased the tide package which is also very useful for showing no go areas on chart.
Prankishsquire
Prankishsquire - 3 years ago
I love you guys.
Sailing followtheboat
Sailing followtheboat - 3 years ago
Love you too!
Ian Swales
Ian Swales - 3 years ago
Hi enjoy your videos, I use Transas iSailor App on both an iPad and Android and agree with findings. I am a ships Pilot in the UK and sail my 33ft boat around the coast. I have used the isailor both on ships and my boat and find it very accurate and the ais data through the cellular net work is updated very quickly a lot quicker than other web systems. 
Onething to bear in mind when recommending an iPad is that its only the ones with cellular capability has a built in gps receiver the others will give a position but only by cross referencing wifi towers so may work when you on terra ferma but not offshore I can vouch for the iPad gps but would not be confident with the gps on a cheap android. My experience is the isailor is much smoother on an iPad compared to android. Also on an iphone the sailor is only displayed in portrait mode not switching to landscape as per the iPad. I also connect my iPad to my tv with a hdmi and have a 22 inch plotter in the cabin which is fantastic for plotting routes together (imagine the cost of a 22 inch plotter).
My boat has the main plotter at the wheel and nothing down below which is where the iPad comes into its own. Finally the main plotter uses quite a bit of power so if spending a night at anchor its reassuring to set the anchor alarm on the phone or iPad which is very loud or just to take a reassuring glance at when turned in with the main plotter switched off. 
In a nutshell the sailor is a great plotter without being over complicated and just works and does not feel like an app.
Ian Swales
Ian Swales - 3 years ago
Hi and thanks for the reply apologies it was me not being clear (as half frozen ) it seems it just the iPads are only fitted with gps receiver on the cellular version. The iPhone has GPS though. When on a ship using isailor I found the gps did not work on the bridge /wheel house as made of steel and heated windows all around did not help, in that situation then I linked the iPad with isailor on to a Bad Elf bluetooth gps receiver sat outside which may be handy for those on steel yachts. There are not many bluetooth gps receivers compatible with Apples operating system but the Bad Elf works well and I managed to link it to my Android Tablet also. The bad Elf is the size of a match box and also has a small lcd display which gives Lat/ Long so a good emergency back up. Cheers Ian
Sailing followtheboat
Sailing followtheboat - 3 years ago
Thanks for the comment, Ian. I should point out on Android the GPS is independent of cell coverage. We use our phones with gps when out of cell coverage. I'm guessing this is different with iphones and ipads?
ted renard
ted renard - 3 years ago
Brilliant video. I think mention has to be made of chart datums(? is that the correct plural?). Most user errors come from not being aware of them, not knowing how to find out the chart datum, and not setting their gps unit to the corresponding datum. This causes a load of nightmares, but if you choose to use electronic nav it's something you have to get on top of. Could be a good subject for another (great?)video.
ted renard
ted renard - 3 years ago
Yep. you can get too clever at that as well. I set mine and tested it out in some shallows. I was spot on as the boat touched the bottom :-) Fortunately, managed to get off. What I was referring to, though, was issues like the assumption everyone makes (if they even know about it) is that every chart is set to WGS 84, and that the plotter is too, and both statements are very definitely not the case. I've been up to 500 metres out of position in the past just for not setting the chart plotter to the same datum as the chart. I was lucky, not only in that I'm familiar with Plymouth, but also a saddo that's interested in all things boat. Others walk onto boats secure in the knowledge that you don't have to know anything, it's all electronic these days etc, and slavishly believe the adverts unquestioningly, even arguing against you if you ask them to check. I'll leave you to form an opinion of that!
Sailing followtheboat
Sailing followtheboat - 3 years ago
Yes, good point, Ted. I remember hauling out once and the depth sounder reset itself (or, more likely, user error!). Hadn't realised this until very nearly getting caught out at low water!
Michael Tillman
Michael Tillman - 3 years ago
Great video as usual. Very informative and something I will be having another look at when I finally get a boat of my own. I'd love to get your opinion on my idea of putting a camera on the mast with a fish eye lins that would give me a forward view hopefully above the fog and can be remotely aimed more downward for close work around hazards like Coral?
Sailing followtheboat
Sailing followtheboat - 3 years ago
Hi Michael. This has come up a few times now. I think we need to look into this more. Someone somewhere in the comments included a link to a camera manufacturer. See here: https://shop.runcam.com/runcam-night-eagle-2-pro/
John Beskow
John Beskow - 3 years ago
Watch " The Maggie " cabin boy throws stones, explains " If it splashes there's water if it rattles there's rocks " !

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srm 666
srm 666 - 3 years ago
Great overview.!
Sailing followtheboat
Sailing followtheboat - 3 years ago
Cheers
Sirocco sails
Sirocco sails - 3 years ago
I've been using Navionics on my ipad for a few years now as my boats chart plotter is too small to see with my aging eyes lol. I've found it very useful sailing the east coast of aus, as well as Indonesia and a small aborted trip from the Seychelles back to Oz ( another story not for here lol). As my chart plotter ( which runs c maps ) has the older NMEA 0183 standard I've found it difficult to find a compatible AIS system. Recently I downloaded isailor which I know will overlay AIS via wifi from the vesper marine system, yes at an extra cost, about A$15 . Was good to see you using the same vesper unit which I've just ordered. In conclusion My main nav system looks like being my ipad with isailor. cheers
Sailing followtheboat
Sailing followtheboat - 3 years ago
Ours is the 6000,so it doesn't broadcast wifi but with N2K it was easy to plumb into the plotter's network. Nice bit of kit and that iSailor add-on is great.
Mark Ratchford
Mark Ratchford - 3 years ago
OK, i have tried to leave you a message on FB, but your page does not allow for messages, i also looked on youtube but no luck, so i have no other alternative than to leave it here.
I do not agree that paper charts are not important, below will explain why they are so important and why the ability to read them correctly is so important.
I am a commercial skipper, i operate vessels for a living and have done for many years, whilst i understand some areas are not charted and are harder to navigate, I also understand that all information on electronic navigational devices is from surveying and geodesy, the same information is contained on charts, a datum is a reference system or an approximation of the Earth's surface against which positional measurements are made for computing locations. Horizontal datums are used for describing a point on the Earth's surface, in latitude and longitude or another coordinate system., Paper charts can be obtained in many different datums making sure you have the correct chart with the correct datum is paramount, being localisation is extremely important when it comes to charts, keeping in mind that all gps are in WGS 84, with Greenwich as the meridian which in itself is 100m out, so adjustments continually need to be made every year, this in it's self can lead to issues, if the datum for a local area is read from example NAD83, WGS84 may be out by up to 200 metres. Paper charts are no good if you do not read the notices to mariners and update the charts for the area you are navigating, Charts are measured at LAT, understanding this helps with navigation from charts but only if reading a chart with the correct datum or the correct offset applied.
Chart datums change but not on your GPS currently. You must work out weather you are in an area that is relevant to a localised datum or if it is suited to WGS84, or NAD27 CONUS, NAD 83, ED 50, AGD 66. or one of many others.
In relation to people entering information on Navionics the information entered from personal navionics will only overlay on their navionics as information provided by the general public can not be used for the purpose of charts. (as above)
When it comes to adding weighpoints to navionics it is easy, all you need to do is
search the lat and long then add to favourites and name it then it's saved. I think you would of read many times whether on Navionics or C-Map, etc, etc, that these are a guide only and not to be relied upon for navigational purposes.
With regards to using Google earth it may be helpful but you must understand that in areas of limited visibility in the water often it will not show dangerous shallow reefs. I have watched a couple of your video's, i watch many of the sailing video,s, one thing that does concern me is all of the people producing them are giving mixed signals to the general public and at some stage if someone follows this information and they run aground or worse, will they sue.
Please do not take what i am saying as negative, as i love seeing people out on the water and enjoying themselves, but i have rescued and towed many people in, who's dreams go out the door from a miss understanding of the water and its dangers. the most reliable navigation systems are charts and have been for hundreds of years, yes electronics has made it easier but it has not removed the use of charts completely yet and will not in our life time.
Enjoy your sailing.
Ian Swales
Ian Swales - 3 years ago
Mark I think you will find that commercial ships can sail with out paper charts, they have the option to have ECDIS plus proper charts as back up or 2 x ECDIS. Im not a supporter of this but I think that paper charts are being slowly being removed. Also when it comes to correcting paper charts on a ship with a world wide folio this can become a major task. Personally I take great comfort in having the appropriate paper chart for the area and am seriously concerned with the use of electronic vector charts where the data can be corrupted by the user a bit like changing offsets on an depth sounder but thats another story.
Mark Ratchford
Mark Ratchford - 3 years ago
Your response is a little disappointing, considering you ask people to spend the time to watch you and follow your story and even pay to help you continue your journey but sadly you do not have the time to respond or even consider some very relative points put forward, as for this video being about the systems you use, i am sure the title of your original video is, HOW TO NAVIGATE THROUGH REEFS. (NOT HOW WE NAVIGATE THROUGH REEFS ) This in many opinions would imply that this is the way to navigate through reefs. I am also pretty sure the mariners i talk of would be very relevant being that the draft of large ships like the endeavour would make their navigation more difficult around deeper reefs. Relativity would apply. Enjoy your endeavours, Enjoy your sailing and safe travels.
Sailing followtheboat
Sailing followtheboat - 3 years ago
This was a video about the systems we use on board Esper. We explain that we use paper charts but the focus was on apps so I'm sorry if I do not have time to answer each and every one of your points. For many hundreds of years the mariners you talk of would not even enter the reefs we were going into, they would anchor outside. If pushed, a good mariner would be eyeballing it, just as we were.
Mark Ratchford
Mark Ratchford - 3 years ago
Sorry but for any mariner, updating a paper chart is no effort. Maybe not important are not the words you used, i have copied and pasted your exact words and here they are. (Mark, watch the follow-up video we published today. We explain all. Paper charts are useless for reefs.) really ? useless or not important! i concede, same, same but not much different. I do not know where you purchased your charts from or what datum they were but you have compressed my educational statement into minimisation with only relevance to the portion of the statement you chose to address. I reiterate, hundreds of years of mariner experience is not to be ignored. fair winds to you.
Sailing followtheboat
Sailing followtheboat - 3 years ago
Hi Mark, thanks for your comments. I'm glad you posted them here because others can benefit from your points. That said, I don't think we said anywhere in the video that paper charts are not important. We understand that electronic charts are updated from hydrographic surveys, which also appear on paper charts, but it is far easier to update an electronic chart than it is to amend or buy a new paper chart, and satellite images will always be more precise than any paper chart. This is true of the reefed areas of The Red Sea, the Maldives and the Anambas, the second two of which have poor paper chart coverage. As we say in the video, use all these sources along with your eyes, depth and common sense. None should be used in isolation and none should be relied on fully. I think Liz makes that point quite clearly in the clip. Thanks for your thoughts, fair winds to you.
Steve Wright
Steve Wright - 3 years ago
How much do you rely on the cellular phone system for general internet usage? It would likely be a little expensive for vid uploads, but what about for general voip, mapping, email etc? Many thanks.
Sailing followtheboat
Sailing followtheboat - 3 years ago
Hey Steve. We rely on it heavily when we have connection. Fortunately this area is well covered by 4G and its not that expensive either. Our problem is that we use so much of it for the videos. Not uncommon for us to use 6GB in 24 hours! When we don't have connection, we read!
Will W
Will W - 3 years ago
Splendid. This informative video on modern navigation aids illustrates why your channel is my favorite. Anyone who wants to take to the sea in a sailboat should watch your channel. They will learn how to sail, how to repair the various components on a sailboat, how to navigate, and your little travelogues tell them what cultural values are important should you visit the Indian Ocean. I'm happy you got so much pleasure out of the Anambas. Peace and fair winds.
Curtis Schindle
Curtis Schindle - 3 years ago
Ya I'm with her! Just show/tell me what I'm looking at but your the man lol technically
Mike Scala
Mike Scala - 3 years ago
From zero to ten,  this was a 12.  Thank you for this very important information.
Sailing followtheboat
Sailing followtheboat - 3 years ago
And thank you for the positive feedback, Mike.
Dutch Globetrotter
Dutch Globetrotter - 3 years ago
Loved this video, I have a little handheld Garmin GPS unit with just the world map on it. However it will tell my exact location (3m accurate). So when all power fails you know exactly where you are on your paper charts.
Sailing followtheboat
Sailing followtheboat - 3 years ago
Always good to have back up. And if you can back up your back ups, even better.
Ron Gamache
Ron Gamache - 3 years ago
again loved your vid. I really enjoy the remote locations you go to but I also appreciate the technical side of doing that and the tech you give on boat living. you have both going for you. Very nice.
happy sailing and be safe out there
Sailing followtheboat
Sailing followtheboat - 3 years ago
Thank you, Ron, and fair winds to you too.
Andy
Andy - 3 years ago
Am trying to guess your sailing costs...and as for navigation,I can't work a compass even ,lolo

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Sailing See Sea
Sailing See Sea - 3 years ago
Thank you for the info ! Have you tried INavX ? Very good app. Fair wind !
Sailing followtheboat
Sailing followtheboat - 3 years ago
No, that's a new one for us. Looking into it now!
Andy
Andy - 3 years ago
Over my head , ha ha sorry xx
Jeffrey Wood
Jeffrey Wood - 3 years ago
This a fantastic video. Thank you so much sharing these apps and your experience using them :)
Allegrini
Allegrini - 3 years ago
An absolute corker, brilliant info! cheers. Steve
Dillon Johnston
Dillon Johnston - 3 years ago
Nice to get this information all in one place. Thanks!
round51
round51 - 3 years ago
This is one of the reason I like your channel so much. Chock full of good information, clear concise.
Sailing SV Compromise
Sailing SV Compromise - 3 years ago
Great help thanks for sharing
Hui San
Hui San - 3 years ago
What about a deep sounder? I believe this is one of the most reliable tools in reef piloting in uncharted water.
JC F
JC F - 3 years ago
Great video guys, much appreciated!
Bob Fomenko
Bob Fomenko - 3 years ago
Good useful info. Top notch as usual from the Esper crew. Thanks!
Brent Cameron
Brent Cameron - 3 years ago
Lots of good info and some new apps for me to track down.  Some people mount remote cameras up the mast so you can see what's going on up front of the boat from the helm.  Some of these can even do FLIR (forward looking infrared) so they can be used at night.  

With Navionics,  it takes sounder information from boaters that have their sounders connected to a source that Navionics can read and updates the downloaded charts for everyone.  Up here in Canada in the 30,000 Islands cruising grounds, there are rocks under the surface everywhere and the charts while half decent for the heavily covered channels are less useful when gunk holing.  One of the beautiful things with Navionics is that because this is such a heavily travelled area by local cottagers who have loads of local knowledge, you get the benefit of their travels as long as they have depth information connected (most recent systems can put depth on the same bus as your nav signals and I'm putting a RS-422 - wifi bridge in so I can do it with my old pre 2K system as well.    One thing you didn't mention (and perhaps part of the challenge you had with Navionics in the Anambas is to make sure that your nav system is using the same chart datum as the charts themselves.  WG84 seems to be the more recent standard but there are thousands of charts out there with pre-WG84 datums and some are wildly off if your system is setup to read one and you are using another.  In Canada many of our charts are NAD27 which luckily is pretty close but I've seen instances where there are deviations and you can get bit rather badly.    

One thing for all of us to watch though is that Navionics was recently bought by Garmin so I'm worried they'll jack the prices and restrict the usability towards Garmin devices.   One of the huge plus's for the Navionics on phones/iPads was the price... $20 for a region is awesome.
Charles Phillips
Charles Phillips - 3 years ago
I'm now using Timezero software on my navigation PC, which links to my Furuno chartplotter up by the wheel (over N2K) This also allows the digital Radar overlay (over ethernet). All the charts are basically cmap but they also have satellite imagery in the chart purchases. I also run openCPN on the nav PC as an alternate (downloading CAP files), then open CPN on my android tablet along with Navionics. The plan is to get a Garmin InReach as the last backup.
It has to be said Timezero is just amazing, with weather routing and weather overlay (and Active Captain crowd sourced information) along with the Furuno DRS4D-NXT radar which has doppler that colours oncoming targets red (including squalls) makes the stuff we used in the '90s quite prehistoric. I think I have enough electronic charts on board now to count as backup!
But... an old ex-admiral once said to me, "Paper charts still have the advantage over electronic charts in a war, notably if a paper chart gets shot at it will still work"
Brian Swanland
Brian Swanland - 3 years ago
That was the best explanation  of  reef navigation I've ever seen.  Thanks  for sharing!
Dane Schuck
Dane Schuck - 3 years ago
Thank you for a very thorough coverage of the topic.
timbev99
timbev99 - 3 years ago
Thank you for a most informative video. The “extra” videos that you do are fantastic - clear, concise and to the point. I totally agree with you in regard to iSailor - the best app that I have found for my iPhone and iPad.

Well done. Love you videos.
John Beskow
John Beskow - 3 years ago
Always feel cat more liable to be a full on grounding in a reef encounter ? Whereas keel boat would hopefully stop short when
a sensible approach speed is used in uncertain depths. Confused sea states when obstructions are not easily seen have you
ever used or possess a lead line ?
Sailing followtheboat
Sailing followtheboat - 3 years ago
Not sure it makes a difference if you're in a cat or mono in these situations. We've witnessed two monos hit reefs...
We don't have a lead line, we rely on our depth sounder in murky conditions. But a forward sonar/fishfinder is something we're considering. ✌️Liz
Laurent Froggy
Laurent Froggy - 3 years ago
Very well put together. Many thanks and best from HKG
Kevin Fisher
Kevin Fisher - 3 years ago
Instead of having satellite imagery on your phone, cut sails/engine as you get near to possible anchor or reef spot and send up the drone. Get overhead pic and use that image which will be much more recent and better image I am sure.

Hmm I do not view Ovital not being on G Playstore as being a problem. Imho that is great news :D I refuse to give google my cell number (had enough issues with them selling my yahoo email) or any other data if I can avoid it. If an app is not on my providers limited app store, or not available as download from sites web page, I simple do with out. Sadly a far too often occurence.

Also the all-in-one OfflineMaps, I noticed it had USGS as you scrolled down. That might have some really good US govt satellite images too. ESRI - intn'l supplier of GIS. From its website: ArcGIS, worlds most powerful mapping and spatial analytics software. From you it sounds like its really good. Anyway AWESOME video and thank you for sharing the info.
Kevin Fisher
Kevin Fisher - 3 years ago
Ah yea, guess that could be an advantage of using satellite maps along with GPS.
Sailing followtheboat
Sailing followtheboat - 3 years ago
We use our phones and iPad passively. All plotting is done on the ship's computer. It has its own wifi, so we can pick up AIS targets on the mobile devices.
It took Navionics a couple of months, but as it was consistently out by the same amount we think that may been the reason. Liz
Chris Stephen
Chris Stephen - 3 years ago
very informative. Thank you

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windmill1965
windmill1965 - 3 years ago
What is the tower in the background of the video? And sometimes a "Disney castle" appears in the upper left hand corner. What's that?
Sailing followtheboat
Sailing followtheboat - 3 years ago
On our way to Krabi for more work and a haul out. ☺️ Liz
windmill1965
windmill1965 - 3 years ago
+Liz, oh, so you have returned to Langkawi meanwhile? MarineTraffic does not have good coverage in this area: I didn't see that happening.
Ken Nelson
Ken Nelson - 3 years ago
Thanks, Great video
I was looking for free weather routing software and came across qtVlm. https://www.meltemus.fr/index.php/en/
I think it is well worth a look especially if you are planning a longer trip.
Sailing followtheboat
Sailing followtheboat - 3 years ago
Thanks for that, Ken. We may do a video on weather apps at some point.
Doug Marder
Doug Marder - 3 years ago
Great stuff, especially WRT the satnav apps! I know you've covered this before, but how do you get your weather and wind info?
Sailing followtheboat
Sailing followtheboat - 3 years ago
Hi Doug. May do another video on those apps but the main ones we use are PocketGrib and Windy.
Megadoculous
Megadoculous - 3 years ago
Hi J & L - in terms of navigating safely through reefs, have you considered monitoring from a forward facing wide angle camera mounted in an all weather enclosure and to the top of your mast? Just a thought. Thanks for the video, interesting topic. Peace and fair winds, Bobby.

PS - you said you were heading north next. Any plans to make it to Samui? I ask, as I will be on Koh Samui for the next couple of months.
Megadoculous
Megadoculous - 3 years ago
Fair points. I was thinking more like one of these (link below) - they are 1) tiny, 2) made to mount and run in a quadcopter (so remote connectivity is not an issue), 3) can provide day and night security footage (these operate in day and night at low light conditions - >0.00001 lux). It can mounted in any standard security cam enclosures - check on ebay, huge selections. Weather proofing won't be a problem. Even an IP camera with pan and tilt would work - it's signal would be available on Esper's wifi (assuming you have use wifi to distribute your NEMA2K data to other devices).

Hope this is useful to you - food for thought.

https://shop.runcam.com/runcam-night-eagle-2-pro/
Sailing followtheboat
Sailing followtheboat - 3 years ago
If we'd thought about this in the refit I think we would have mounted something at the top of the mast. The main issue is making sure it's weather proof. A gopro with WiFi could work but it would have to be permanently wired.
spudboy1328
spudboy1328 - 3 years ago
Have you had any surprises with Navionics? I was reading about the Tanda Mailika (sp?) catamaran smash onto a reef. They were using Navionics at some higher zoom, and it did not show a reef, which they ran into and sank the boat. Have you had any dramas like that?
Thanks for the videos. Always very informative. Cheers - David
(edit - Not crashing onto a reef obviously, but any close calls due to not seeing enough detail)
spudboy1328
spudboy1328 - 3 years ago
That's good to know - we are thinking of buying Navionics! Thanks.
Norman Boyes
Norman Boyes - 3 years ago
spudboy1328 Navionics does put a warning up if you plan/plot a route across a hazard. However most sailors would not plan such a route. The issue in the incident you mentioned is the position of the boat was not on the planned route and there is no inbuilt warning system to flag up dangers ahead if you are off track. I am afraid you have to put that incident down to ‘Human Factors’ in common with most ‘accidents’.
Sailing followtheboat
Sailing followtheboat - 3 years ago
Ideally you should plot all the way points to avoid the danger areas before you set off...
spudboy1328
spudboy1328 - 3 years ago
OK - that's good.
You'd think there'd be a feature whereby if you plot a course at a high zoom, and it takes you across an area where the depth is less than (say) 5m, it flags a great big warning, even if the object is not visible at that zoom level.
abdullah alsulaiti
abdullah alsulaiti - 3 years ago
Very good video excellent information easy explanation for difficult things thank you for sharing.
Nemm Mjuuk
Nemm Mjuuk - 3 years ago
Nice list of apps. Even useful for land-only navigators. Thanks!
Sailing followtheboat
Sailing followtheboat - 3 years ago
Yes, both Off-line-maps and Ovital are useful for land - based navigation. Many of the available maps for OLM are land-based.

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