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Ivan Todorov - 5 years ago

Probably the best opinions on the mono vs cat question on the youtube . Short , nice and clear ! Great video ! Cheers !

GeeBee - 5 years ago

Gregor Miller, why do you watch?

Gregor Miller - 5 years ago

How long did it take you to throw-up, watching Jason-the-bitch bow to his ruler, Nikki?

Steve Holett - 5 years ago

Ivan Todorov agree

C_R_O_M__________ - 5 years ago

Over 40ft catamarans are almost impossible to flip over even at the hands of amateurs.

Adam wacker wood - 5 years ago

Nice to hear for info cat vs mono . But if you are worried about a cat sinking in a storm watch this.They abandoned the boat and it turned up Still floating weeks later !!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkIuBUVJHQk

Den S - 5 years ago

"I find them (mono-hulls) inherently safer"...…

C Lee Shannon - 5 years ago

Thanks for your commentary about the monohull verses A catamaran. Enjoyed watching you with the Wynns. I'm a long time follower of both of you.

Helen Bell - 5 years ago

check out a balance 451.. they are a performance catamaran with daggerboards and they can point to 30 degrees and sail fast at 10 kts. the only down side is if you r over 6' tall the saloon clearance is tight. higher ceilings in the hulls. reverse bows and long sugar scoops make it more stable and smoother ride. its a balance between performance and comfort. Terysa is right about cats capsizing. Downwind sailing in a cat is better as you don't round up as much.

Sailing Yacht Ruby Rose - 5 years ago

Yep, looked at Balance catamarans online, would be great if we could see one without having to fly to SA though! They do look good, but hard to tell until you're actually walking around (and sailing) one.

Sailing Yacht Ruby Rose - 5 years ago

Cruising Off Duty - 5 years ago

Hey guys. Love the Cat vs Mono debate, although I thought after spending some time with the Wynns you would have been saying "We can't wait to get a cat!". We have our Mono but know our next boat will be a Cat once we finally retire to become full-time sailors. I know the first trans-Atlantic passage I did on the Catamaran convinced me that I want to cross oceans on a Cat that stays mostly level as opposed to heeled over 24/7 like we would have been on a Mono. Just sooo much more comfortable. I felt a bit seasick the first day because the motion is different than a mono, but you get used to that motion really fast. As long as you follow the trade winds around the world, a decent Cat (even a "big & slow" production cats) perform quite well. On the 50' Cat I crossed on, we would sail at 6+ knots on relatively low wind days with just the spinnaker and sail at over 10 knots on a decent breeze day and over 17 knots in a strong wind. A Mono would have a hard time doing those speeds because of the keel hanging down causing a lot of drag. So as long as you don't need to sail into the wind for long passages, I feel the Cat wins in performance and comfort. Oh yes, side note, Terysa said it right. Only racing cats that are light and built for speed can flip. Big heavy production cats filled with water tanks, fuel tanks and all your personal belongings are way too heavy to flip so that is a wives tale, probably told my ardent mono hull people to scare people away from cats. Your mast would snap way before it would flip. Added bonus, Cats really cant sink because the hulls are made to be buoyant so even if you punch a hole in your hull by hitting a log or a shipping container you can wait on your boat to be rescued. A mono will sink really fast if you hit something and get a hole below the waterline. So Cat wins in safety too. I'll be doing the 10K mile passage from South Africa to the USA in May so I'll let you know if I feel the same after that massive passage. Fingers crossed we don't get caught in a massive storm and flip. Now wouldn't that be embracing after what I just said? ha ha. That's our 2 cents on the Cat vs Mono debate. Best of luck in your upcoming season of sailing. Cheers! Craig & Janice

Sailing Yacht Ruby Rose - 5 years ago

Hey Craig & Janice- thanks for commenting! Your channel is a great option for anyone interested in catamaran reviews & boat tours, so for those reading this, go check them out. We were actually thisclose to coming with you and Paul and Sheryl on that transatlantic, it was only the dates that didn't quite match up that stopped us. Bit of a shame in hindsight- would have been a great experience. Anyway, we definitely did finish that week saying how amazing it was to live on a catamaran, and I think we can safely say that we're looking to buy a cat for our next boat. BUT- we also love monohulls and so getting a (much) bigger mono is still an option that we haven't discounted. However, onto more catamaran research, which will be a large part of what we do over the next 12 months. Can't wait! See you on the water one day- Terysa

Arthur Afond - 5 years ago

Hi nick , just to clear a point you made , sailing upwind , I do agree , a mono will sail to say @ 6.5 , 7 knots at a 35 to 40 wind angle , under the same wind strength , with our Outremer I will sail with a 45 to 50 wind angle at over 8.5 knots ! So you do the math .
Cheers

Thomas Schreiber - 5 years ago

Absolutely fantastic video! Really love your honest and thorough opinion on catamaran vs. monohull. Great job. Thank you.

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Vynle Shmynle - 5 years ago

Cats the better platform all around, you can try to kid yourself one way or the other, for pure enjoyment, pleasure, comfort, there is no better except maybe a Trimeran

Swapster .com - 5 years ago

For me, the living space settles it. I would go with a cat. I am not a sailor though, so I have no experience on performance differences. I seriously doubt I would enjoy the heeling of a monohull for an extended period of time.

Sailor - 5 years ago

The two of you may be the most honest presenters on boats as are...but let's be honest....boats ride in the water and multi hulls sit on it

TERRIBLYBRITISH - 5 years ago

Finally some balanced thoughts on the debate, well done guys. I Struggle to find the answer to... how close to the wind can you actually sail in a cat? And as you are faster because youre off the wind do you get to your destination quicker?

TERRIBLYBRITISH - 5 years ago

+Sailing Yacht Ruby Rose Brill thank you

Sailing Yacht Ruby Rose - 5 years ago

45 apparent is a good starting point for a cat with good sails. It’s 30 in a comparable monohull. Add some dagger boards and you can shave off a few degrees. Buy a cat with fat hulls which favour internal space and you lose performance.

christopher berthelet - 5 years ago

What about a trimaran?

Veneil - 5 years ago

I've sailed monohulls and lived several years on a large trimaran. The trimaran was a 45ft New Zealand design involving what amounted to a full-size "ordinary" centre-cockpit monohull , with narrow outriggers that did not offer any kind of accommodation, just (lots and lots) of storage. So this design did offer a lot of deck space (she was 23 ft wide, which made her big enough to be able to carry two dinghies on deck) but basically no more cabin space than any ordinary monohull would. I have since then sailed catamarans and they are now my type of boat of choice, mostly because of the inherently more generous "under-cover" accommodation. They can be a bit funny into the wind, even my old trimaran behaved better especially because it had a much deeper keel on the centre hull than what you'd find on a cat's hulls. But you get used to the quirks and the sometimes unpredictable movement, and in most conditions I find a cat more comfortable. I just can't make up my mind if they are less seaworthy. I don't believe so, and with modern satellite communication you have a better chance of getting out of the way if bad weather is coming. Like Jason says, a three-day window moving at 6 knots or so is usually quite enough. In my sailing days, my navigation aids consisted of a radio, a bunch of really cool charts that came with the boat when I bought her, a compass, and a sextant! Nothing else.

Steven Mann - 5 years ago

His perception is that monohulls are faster?? I guess it depends on a the size/weight of each boat but according to most: Cruising catamarans are faster than monohulls, and sailing catamarans can sail half the speed of the wind, depending upon their angle - however Due to their lower wetted surface area, catamarans are certainly faster, but you pay the price with a slapping and uncomfortable ride.

T.J. Mills - 5 years ago

This has been a great set of videos guys. Really well done, funny and entertaining. I barely missed the rants from Nick, but I do miss them.

Visholiste - 5 years ago

Oh, I need to see that colour water irl...

Darren Steven - 5 years ago

Interesting comparison, with many good points. A few generalisations about cats though that don't always apply (warning - A cat fan here). The Leopard is a heavy low performance cat. It has high windage, minikeels, and high displacement, and poor upwind performance as a result. Checkout Mick's videos at @SailSurfRoam - He's got some great insights into sailing a performance cat. That thing points amazingly well, but he makes the point that upwind sailing can suck, and can only be done at monohull speeds anyway for comfort reasons if there is any significant sea state. There's also the balance between absolute pointing angle, and VMG. As a cat speeds up, and the apparent wind moves forward, you have to bear away from true wind. The trick is to know how to balance boat speed and pointing angle to maximise progress to wards you desired destination (hint: it's not always achieved at highest angle of sail for boats with high performance). The feel of a monohull is certainly more tangible than a cat too. Cat's are very stiff, and don't have that 'groove' that a monohull has when everything is in balance, but have other rewards and sensations when sailing well.

The safety thing is also interesting. The Apocolytptic scenario for a cat is being on your roof. For a monohull, it's being on the ocean floor. For a cat, that happens with massive wind (usually mismanaged) and waves. For the monohull, it's wind waves and foreign objects.The safety factor also points back to the type of boat as well. Heavy, high displacement cats with high windage can have some undesirable behaviours when they can't go fast enough to surf waves etc (kind of like displacement monohulls in broaching conditions). Having said that, even the Leopard will be able to show a good turn of speed safely when surfing, and could run bare poles with a storm safely.

One thing I don't think you mentioned is load carrying ability. Monohulls win here mostly. All boats have performance limited by length vs displacement. It's largely where the 'hull speed' thing comes from. So a lighter boat of a given length always has more potential for speed. Cats can be hyper-sensitive to this. Ultimately, performance degradation with load boils down to the relative change in weight. A monohull with a massive chunk of lead has less relative displacement change as it takes on load. A fast cat will have a big shift for the same load. The secret to load carrying in a cat is size. Get one with longer hulls (that hasn't grown proportionally in displacement by adding crap). The 40ft cats are right on the cusp here. Big enough to be spacious and perform OK, but still impacted by small weight additions, or likely to be too heavy to perform well. By the time you approach 50ft, things are looking good from all perspectives: Great performance, space and reasonable load capability. Cost has gone through the roof though...

Anyway, enjoy your travels, and keep living the life. Cheers.

Sailing Yacht Ruby Rose - 5 years ago

Thanks my friend. All good points that we will cover in future episodes as we go cat hunting

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Klaus Montag - 5 years ago

thanks for sharing your opinions on cat vs. monohull, very apreciated and not out of a yacht-brokers sight. What's your mind of combinig a cat and a monohull to a Trimaran. Is it the worst of both or even the best of both?

Sailing Yacht Ruby Rose - 5 years ago

My thoughts are that there are few on the market that fit the bill. The Neel 45 being one. Unfortunately I don’t like it. I think you get the worse of both worlds.

craig me - 5 years ago

"Godda have some credibility." I just dont understand the fixation on classic sailing lines.

I bet pilots use to say planes godda have 4 wings, only biplanes are the real thing.

20-30 years from now cruisers will be saying youve godda have two hulls in the water when hydrofoil boats are taking over the waterways at 20-30 knots cruising two meters out of the water.

The big hotel looking lagoon cats sure have a lot of room, for me practical safe and comfy - way to go! In my dreams...ha ha.

Stephen Ferguson - 5 years ago

Great video, it’s all about what you want to do. If your interested in living aboard and just cruising and traveling then I would say a cat. If your interested in major sailing in big seas and crossing oceans then I would say a mono. The cat is more like a apartment so your getting it for the room, the mono is for performance. So just my opinion.

Sailing Yacht Ruby Rose - 5 years ago

It’s the opinion we have arrived at

Brett Cameron - 5 years ago

Old cruiser saying: You don't need to own a catamaran; you just need to have friends with one. Bigger cockpit, entry and exit for sundowners, diving and kids playing etc. but the mono will be more fun to sail by far! Cheers on a great vid!

Graeme Henderson - 5 years ago

thanks so much loved the episodes with nikki and jason

Flatcap007 - 5 years ago

So, Magaluf next destination ?

Bobby G - 5 years ago

Knew you were going to get a Cat when you started talking about it. It is like when you buy a car or whatever. The second you start shopping it is just a matter of when not if. I am sure you will be very happy with whatever you get. I can't wait to see what it will be. Living vicariously through you both at the moment while I am planning for my boat purchase sometime down the road. Guess I should put a date on it to force the issue. Anyway great vids from Tahiti. Looked like a blast. Have to get there myself one day. Have fun being "stuck" in Valencia for a bit.

Ron F - 5 years ago

Now Nikki and Jason have got to come visit you!

Sailing Yacht Ruby Rose - 5 years ago

Yes my friend, that’s the plan

SV Impavidus (Ant & Cid Sailing) - 5 years ago

Good, Informative, well chosen words. Sail Safe. Ant & Cid xx

Mark Long - 5 years ago

Other than cat vs mono, what did you think about the difference between Ruby Rose and her cozy wood interior and what some call the "plastic fantastic" of the Leopard? Was it fine after a while or would you go for an older Privilege, Catana, or ? to get the higher level of finish you've become accustomed to? I also agree with Terysa's comment about the poor view forward while underway. For long passages, would love to be relaxing with a book and feet up and be able to just lift my head up and scan the horizon. Just not how most cats are laid out. Maybe a Seawind or Maine Cat.

Sailing Yacht Ruby Rose - 5 years ago

sv Curiosity is a 2006 model and is definitely not 'plastic fantastic'- like many manufacturers, Leopard's older models are much more 'boaty' in feel and incorporate more wood, creating a much cozier space. The modern trend of sharp corners, light coloured veneers (wood or... whatever they use) and square shapes are really seen only in newer boats. We like sv Curiosity, and I've actually always liked the older Leopards before they added the forward facing cockpit and changed up the interior styling. Now, it's not to our taste. We do like the boaty, cozy feel- Nick likes a more traditional style, whereas I don't mind the more modern designs, as long as they're still a bit boaty and not too ikea-y. Like, the new Lagoon range has gone back to darker wooden veneers in the interior, which I like. Not a fan though of the new Leopards, which are very light inside. Hope that makes a bit of sense, sorry for the rambling answer! - Terysa

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Peter Hunsader - 5 years ago

I won't watch catamaran sailing channels! Not my cup of tea. So glad you can't afford one. lol. I really like this channel.

Peter Hunsader - 5 years ago

+Sailing Yacht Ruby Rose Hell, I can't afford one either. lol. My Ranch is up for sale now and Hopefully I'll be shopping for a sailboat in the next 3 months. Monohull for sure.

Sailing Yacht Ruby Rose - 5 years ago

Haha haha my friend. Love your honesty :)

Jc Clopton - 5 years ago

life at 23 degrees.... tilt sucks!! Catamarans are the RVs of the seas

Rustyjeff - 5 years ago

1 other thing for you 2 you might not have thought of. Do all your deep water places like Patagonia for example, in a mono. Then when you go to the warmer shallow areas the cat will make your lives easier just due to draught. Great chat.

livin life - 5 years ago

i wish you two the very best, i love watching. safe travels.

Kjel Peterson - 5 years ago

Great series with the Wynns. Thank you

Two Watt - 5 years ago

I think I just heard that Monohulls perform better... Hopefully this refers to the 10 degrees closer to the wind you can sail on non daggerboard cats- cause aside from sailing into the wind cats are faster than monos- that's not even a debate. I'll keep listening to see if someone is deluded- be it me or the handsome man in the video.

Mike Hayse - 5 years ago

A point on catamarans in an ultimate blow... Richard woods called for rescue in his prototype Eclipse 32 off the Pacific coast of Columbia I believe, in 30+ foot seas (the Navy ship called it 35') for the comfort of his crew (wife). The ship was found weeks later , floating right side up, having been stripped of most items of value. And Richard's boats are fast and point quite well based on owners notes. Someone is building complete Transit 38's in England I believe.

John Donaldson - 5 years ago

Interesting Nikki days pretzels and peanut butter is an American staple. Must be s regional thing. Never thought of it.

On Tilt Sailing Dale Hudson - 5 years ago

I think it all comes down to, cost, comfort and safety. Cats---costly but comfortable. Monos---overall safer in bad conditions, able to sail in most weather. Money is a big factor!!!!!

Will Moizer - 5 years ago

It would be most interesting to hear a rebuttal from Cat Impi wrt heavy weather sailing on a cruising cat.

Curtis Mulder - 5 years ago

Hey RR. Have y'all sailed on a 60' mono to see how they act at anchor. Seems the larger monos are way more stable that 40 footers. I have not been on large vessels like a 60+ footer.

Sailing Yacht Ruby Rose - 5 years ago

We have my friend. They still roll as much as a 40ft mono in any swell.

Curtis Moffatt - 5 years ago

Thanks so much for sharing your amazing adventures. Absolutely loved the south pacific trip wow!!!!!

Curtis Moffatt - 5 years ago

Ask Kent at just cats catamarans only flip over when your pushing them way too hard

Curtis Moffatt - 5 years ago

Take it from sailing Nahoa, if your already talking about reefing then you reef.... if your already talking about catamarans then you buy a catamaran.

Sailing Yacht Ruby Rose - 5 years ago

Fair point my friend

Curtis Moffatt - 5 years ago

In a storm worst case scenario, a monohull would roll over more easily also a monohull can sink, its rare for a catamaran to even sink.

Fd Schuler - 5 years ago

Good Rant! Cyclone seasons will become any season.

Dave Horn - 5 years ago

Thank You!!!! Can't tell you how much I appreciate your open and honest chat)

Dave Horn - 5 years ago

Perhaps the best collaboration in utube history... Can't say how much I appreciate you, and your willingness to share... thank you) (yes, both channels))) hehehe )

Sailing Yacht Ruby Rose - 5 years ago

Thanks mate, appreciate the good vibes

Moe Jaime - 5 years ago

I like that fact that when you poop on a catamaran the toilet water doesn't slosh on your rear end when you roll !!

Sailing Yacht Ruby Rose - 5 years ago

I had never considered that mate, thanks

Lynndon Harnell - 5 years ago

Be interested to know your opinion re a mono you set the sails to the average i n a blow where a cat you set sails to the max gust due to the cat not heeling and bleeding off wind energy.

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Moe Jaime - 5 years ago

Pretzels and peanut butter ?? that must be a west coast think !!

Elizabeth M - 5 years ago

I really enjoyed this series. Smooth sailing.

caribbeanchild - 5 years ago

Please don't get cats or a dog... poor things.

Bird Dog - 5 years ago

Wish you could get back in the tropics soon. Amazing scenery.

Sailing Yacht Ruby Rose - 5 years ago

Right!? We're working on it... Although we're VERY excited for this coming season. Maybe not what people are expecting...!

Shane Villis - 5 years ago

Catana, Seawind, Fusion 40,, check out those cats Nick........... Nick,get in touch with Cat Impi, they have cruising on a Lagoon 440 for the last 7 years. Have also done Tasmania. Check out their channel

Laurie Seto - 5 years ago

Do you think you'll sail the Adriatic?

Sailing Yacht Ruby Rose - 5 years ago

Not this year, no.

Zander Howell - 5 years ago

its an interesting topic at the end because i have loved and worked on cats but always have the feeling they are weaker than monohulls due to the connection between the two.

Den S - 5 years ago

I just figured out the cat/mono issue. Keep Ruby Rose until cash is raised for the new cat. You probably will have to raise about $150kus plus Ruby Rose. It may take 5 years? Buy a few lotto tickets too. Just finished up dental (2 crowns 2 fillings). the DMD is your twin but no London accent: ) For the first time I followed a cat couple and was impressed. I know Terysa will get a kick out of that.

Jack Taylor - 5 years ago

Screw the Lottery, that's a fools game. Just how many people that you closely know, who play the Lottery have ever won, none. Keep your money, and make it with wise investing.

berlinaussie - 5 years ago

Another great vid.. Thanks so much.. I look forward to the new season... As for cat vs mono.. Your choice.. do what is best for you...I will still watch no matter.. It is cool you spend so much time in Adelaide.. I grew up there..

berlinaussie - 5 years ago

+Sailing Yacht Ruby Rose cool.. I will..

Sailing Yacht Ruby Rose - 5 years ago

Oh no way?? Well don't miss next week's episode then- it's based in SA :)

Dave Finley - 5 years ago

We've really enjoyed your videos with the Wynn's... Two of our favorite channels at once!!

Jim Hummel - 5 years ago

This was a wonderful series! You've got me as a subscriber and will look forward to the bonus video as well as your new season!

Sailing Yacht Ruby Rose - 5 years ago

Welcome my friend

Steven Watterson - 5 years ago

Very informative and very much entertaining. Waiting for the reciprocation with the Wynn's visiting Ruby Rose in the Med. Fair winds and following seas.

boon197999 - 5 years ago

I would like to hear a nicks opinion of what he though the cat would have felt like compared to the mono on his rough trip to the ICW in Florida when it got dicy. I say that because it seems to me like a good visual comparison for someone who doesn’t know much on the subject.

Bubble Boy - 5 years ago

Well clearly if the trend line holds true, Ruby Rose III will be a trimaran!!! :-)

Sailing Yacht Ruby Rose - 5 years ago

So ruby rose 4 will be an RV :)

Michael DeNicola - 5 years ago

A very nice video it was very interesting. Cat's are nice but very expensive but if one is going to live on it they are a good choice. For me it would be how much time you are planning to do with respect to boating. Thank you for sharing and safe sailing

Ryan Conrad - 5 years ago

Great video, appreciate the level headed analysis. One reason you guys are in my top three channels.

Billy Duer - 5 years ago

Excellent video what a journey

Chris Child - 5 years ago

This was an awesome summery. We look forward to being with you through the transition.

Gerard Wall - 5 years ago

Hey guys really interesting and open discussion on monohull vs catamaran. I’m sure this is only chapter 1 of a series! Some of the downsides to cats from my monohulistic perspective are:
1. Initial outlay is huge for a catamaran even a used one
2. Assuming you have 2 diesel saildrives that means two lots of oil changes filter changes etc etc
3. Mooring costs for those times you don’t drop anchor...just think of big numbers!

Having said that I do agree with your view that as a full-time liveaboard, the cat would appear to be a much more comfortable choice.

Thanks for vlogs - they’re always interesting & informative.

Cheers

Gerard, a monohull sailor from the Gippsland Lakes region in Vic, Australia. We have a 365 Dufour btw

Gerard Wall - 5 years ago

Marcel D cheers Marcel. I think our two countries at opposite ends of the globe have many things in common or at least their people do! It would be great to see you down south sometime! Cheers Gerard

Marcel D - 5 years ago

+Gerard Wall , thanks. I will take that as "WHEN" I get to Oz... we'll share a froth or two!
Sail or not to sail- that IS the question. I rode motorcycles for 30 years. I waved at all of them unlike some riders of certain brands that only acknowledge riders on similar bikes. New boat, old boat, cat, trawler, if you are out on the sea we are all brothers (and sisters) and should be looking out for each other.
As for my search for boats, there are a few locally available for $189K to mid $200s for fully outfitted monohulls. There are a few comparable Cats around the globe for high $200s to $350K (after considering exchange rates). More money for sure but, if it is what I want, it will be worth the extra. Search for Gary Fretz. He is a boat broker with tons of info about buying and selling boats. One thing he mentions is to buy 'off season'. That season varies around the globe. So unless you are in a hurry, which is never advisable, shop around!
See you on the blue!

Gerard Wall - 5 years ago

Marcel D Sorry Marcel just read completely through your comments. Very fair comments & maybe the discussion shouldn’t be Cat or Monohull it sail or not sail! Let’s unite in the view that sailing us fun, is generally easy and so liberating! If you ever get to Ozz, let me know! Gerard

Gerard Wall - 5 years ago

Marcel D hi interesting comment. If you refer to your countryman on ‘Cruising Off Duty”’. He and his partner have done massive reviews of Cats - all sizes and believe me they cost a BOMB compared to Cats. In Oz a new 38’ mono would be $380Aust and the comparable cat would be double that plus more. I don’t hate Cats but they are an expensive alternative! No way are they the same cost, otherwise we’d all have Cats!

Marcel D - 5 years ago

Gerard Wall, where I am (West Coast Canada) a true blue water monohull locally, is close to the cost of a comparably outfitted catamaran in other countries. I am willing to pay for a few flights to find the right boat for me but, generally, you are correct that Cats are more expensive.
As for the two engines and sail drives on a cat, you don't have to do the oil changes at the same time. Most often only one engine is running at a time. Running both doesn't gain enough speed to offset the wear and tear, fuel, etc. Most people are saying about a 1/2 knot to a full knot extra speed to have the second engine running. So if you plan correctly you can run one engine until maintenance time and then run the other. If you normally service your engine every 100 hrs on a monohull, there is no difference in the amount of maintenance required. I would think that the redundancy of having a 'spare' engine at sea outweighs any 'inconvenience' of the extra 'perceived' maintenance and required storage of spares.
Mooring costs- yes! No disputing that one. Also add in haul out (marinas charge extra for using the bigger lift). Also, what about bottom paint- two slightly shallower hulls versus a deeper hull on a mono plus the keel. Maybe balance out for area to be coated? Not sure. Scrubbing the bottom? Seems like a bigger chore with two 40 foot hulls versus only one. But again, how much difference there is in actual area.
If I was out there full time sailing, it would be on a Cat. I would only come in to a marina for haul out and maintenance. The rest of the time I would hope to be out on the hook in a protected anchorage somewhere beautiful.
Cheers M8, been to your beautiful country twice! Can't wait for my next visit

Doug Ford - 5 years ago

Where did your sunglasses mate?

wayne mazan - 5 years ago

Great video... as always.

Aboard Ohana - 5 years ago

Love Wynn’s and Rose’s

weirdguy564 - 5 years ago

I'm told that a Triamaran is sort of the between boat from Mono hull to Catamaran. I know it sounds counter intuitive, but a Trimaran is just a monohull with outriggers added for more space and stability, while a Cat is two boats stuck together.

The only downside is that I think a Trimaran is probably the more expensive of the three types as I can't name a brand off the top of my head, but cats and mono hulls seem to be everywhere.

For me I would like a Trimaran just to be different than the crowd. However, if price were not a factor and unlimited budget....well....I would go even more weird and get square rigged Brig or Snow....and a crew to man the damn thing.

Michael Clarke - 5 years ago

Oop's should read U-Tube Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZEEyZXpcLY

Michael Clarke - 5 years ago

Neel Trimaran !!! But saw a u-Tube that leaves there build quality open to question

Phil Marrandette - 5 years ago

Love my mono hull but when we get the kids through college and become live aboards we hope to get a cat. We have Chartered several and if you are sailing down wind there are usually faster

SV Counting Stars - 5 years ago

16-18 kts with a forward cockpit... Is that not enough performance for you? :-) We love our L45. https://youtu.be/Gkr1EWl5-NQ

Fredrik sd - 5 years ago

May I ask how u guys have made the intro to your videos? Its super cool. Love all your videos.

Fredrik sd - 5 years ago

+Sailing Yacht Ruby Rose Thanks for the tips.

Sailing Yacht Ruby Rose - 5 years ago

Thanks mate, it is all don’t with Apple Motion 5

n0nam3given - 5 years ago

You two are so likeable and lovable!

Roger Mace - 5 years ago

Nick bought up some great points on the safety aspect of mono hulls which I totally agree with, but as you both said there are good and bad points with both vessels ....... I'm a mono hull fan........Keep Safe guys

strglitter - 5 years ago

Wonderful vlog! We found your channel by accident and subscribed. Can’t wait to watch your adventures. Nick - love the sunglasses, brand? Type? Thanks

Sailing Yacht Ruby Rose - 5 years ago

Hey mate, welcome. Sunglasses are Oakley frog skins. Clear frame, iridium lenses

Ostrander Family - 5 years ago

well said and we look forward to your weekly episodes keep up the great work cheers

Eric Hyney - 5 years ago

Peanut butter and pretzels. Jolly good food mate. Eat up....

Howard White - 5 years ago

8:15 to the end - thank you for the very congenial conversation of a topic that tends to get peoples' dandruff in a frenzy. Well presented, balanced and focused. Fair winds.

Chris hutchison - 5 years ago

Good stuff! I can't wait to see what's next! I would also love to see Wynns on the Rose

Sailing Yacht Ruby Rose - 5 years ago

They will always be welcome.

Lars Holst - 5 years ago

Have a look at the Balance 526
If that's to pricey, have a look at Catana, Outremer or other daggerboard cats.

Lars Holst - 5 years ago

P.S.: Privilege is true quality. But still heavy.

Lars Holst - 5 years ago

+Sailing Yacht Ruby Rose: Balance also have the smaller 451.

https://balancecatamarans.com/our-models/451-2/

All Cats are weight sensitive. Weight has to be positione from the mid and aft over.

Most cats doesn't perform because the focus on comfort and only comfort.
Racing cats are extremely fast and dangerous to sail and has no comfort.

When I mention Balance, Outremer and Catana, then it's because these are som of the very few with a "Balance" between comfort and performance and I think you would appreciate That these actually are able to tag and have a speed increase of 25% -80% compared to similar fast monohulls.

I could advise to watch two very informative videos on Youtube made by S/V Delos on the subject of cats.
Mind you that the crew of Delos is con-Cats. Hence a slightly bias against cats in these videos.
But it will be difficult to find more objective material on the subject.

Video 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eoWQE-G9FJ8&t=732s

Video 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWbvNzrh5Vw&t=1011s

The crew of Zatara (Privilege 582) claims that a cat can't be to big.
However, some countries (which flag you fly) have official demands to educated crew depending on size of boat and insurance is also size depending as well as maintainance cost.

I wish you the very best and hope for you to make the best choise for the future.

Keep up the great spirit in your videos.

Cheers

Sailing Yacht Ruby Rose - 5 years ago

Thanks Lars. I've looked at the Balance cats but never been onboard one. 52 ft is too big for us though. Catana is an option for sure, but not loving the styling inside the newer models. However, it's a consideration. Outremer 45's are way too weight sensitive so we would be restricted with what we can put on them- ie, no generator, no washing machine, etc etc. Half of the point of getting a bigger boat is to have some of those little luxuries we don't have right now, so that's a dealbreaker. The Outremer 49 would accommodate, but it's too big. At the moment, we like Antares and Privilege.

Lars Holst - 5 years ago

Cats don't really sink.
Lots of monos drop the keel and sink.

The reason you a life raft on a cat is for the risk of fire.

Great video.
Keep up the spirit.
Enjoy your videos a lot.

Dave Finley - 5 years ago

Lars, there were casualties from the hurricanes but I don't know if any were of people on board their boat in the storm. I suspect most people would have secured their boat and gone ashore before the storm arrived. (I would have.). I suspect the sinkings were due to hull punctures from being blown into pilings, rocks or other boats. To your original point, several cats were shown in the photos capsized but not fully submerged. Check Google Earth imagery of St.Martin. Much of the wreckage had been cleaned up, but not all. Of course, I don't know how old that imagery is.

Lars Holst - 5 years ago

Any casualties?

Dave Finley - 5 years ago

Overhead photos of hurricane damaged marinas in the Caribbean showed a lot of cats sitting on the bottom.

John MacInnes - 5 years ago

Just making sure Ytube knows I am engaged in this channel. :)

onthebeaches1 - 5 years ago

Another great debate guys. As much as I do feel a CAT would be better for my purpose, I will still start with a monohull. The two reasons are....I want the experience of that hull and it's A LOT less money than a cat. The Wynn's paid well over 300K where I can get into a 30 foot mono for $5K. NO, that's not a typo. For those of you wanting to dive into this as a sport or a lifestyle,. think about starting with a monohull so you're not spending the big bucks on a CAT and then end up trying to sell it down the road taking a loss. Taking a loss on a monohull you paid 5 to 10K for will be significantly less than a CAT! and BTW..the last boat I found was a 30 foot ready to untie the lines for $1,660!

LiveCheapAndProsper - 5 years ago

For some reason I get turned off by watching sailing channels with catamarans. Its like watching people living in a condo next to the beach. So agree with all points that nick mentions.

Renee Mineart - 5 years ago

I agree with Ivan. Really good comments and perspective. I’ve always felt like a monohull is like 5 people camping in a 2-man pup tent on a hill, but a catamaran is more like a London flat.

Renee Mineart - 5 years ago

I agree with Ivan. Really good comments and perspective. I’ve always felt like a monohull is like 5 people camping in a 2-man pup tent on a hill, but a catamaran is more like a London flat.

Frank Rodriguez - 5 years ago

You both have to do this again, all four of you were awesome together I so looked forward to both of your blogs.

Marie A. - 5 years ago

I feel tension its obvious she want a Cat and did love the expiriencen. He donsent like it because he spend years in a small boat and got use too. But it was nice seen 2 side of the story.✌

Sailing Yacht Ruby Rose - 5 years ago

Haha, definitely no tension on this one. We're lucky- we both want the same from a cruising yacht and we have the same priorities.

stevenjlawson - 5 years ago

this is like a time warp....talking about getting the anti-fouling done on Ruby Rose and I just watched that being done a couple of days ago.....scary....

Sailing Yacht Ruby Rose - 5 years ago

Haha, yeah, and next week's video is set in Australia. We like to keep you on your toes!

michael d - 5 years ago

Glad to have met you from watching the Wynns. Two of the nicest Salts on Youtube! I was in the Coast Guard Station Honolulu Hi and a couple came in to report their Catamaran missing they abandoned at sea! The serviceman asked for a description. He told them to come with him and I followed. Their Cat was tied up outside in perfect condition! Talk about screams of joy! It beat them in by a day. Cat or Mono they can take more than us most of the time!

Sailing Yacht Ruby Rose - 5 years ago

Haha, welcome my friend

Kevin Sharpe - 5 years ago

Great mini series. Thank you

Sailing Paloma - 5 years ago

I spent few seasons in the S. Pacific on a 45ft catamaran and the abrupt motion and LOUD bridgedeck noise in rough weather was unbearable. At anchor, the catamaran was great! I am now switching back to a 50ft monohull. Before you decide, figure out what is important for you.

Sailing Yacht Ruby Rose - 5 years ago

Yep, not going to lie, the hull slap is something we're very aware will be a problem for us. But hey, if we decide after a few years that we can't deal with it, we can always buy a different boat. What type of catamaran do you have?

Richard - 5 years ago

Just buy the cat and get it over with.

John - 5 years ago

Great thanks

warp21drive - 5 years ago

so you did not talk about your thought on 'down in hull vs up on deck galley" As they touted in the Anteares 44 in 2017...… the up galley to me is way better....but …. as I"ll never be in the market for an $300K boat its academic but of interest... cheers warren

Sailing Yacht Ruby Rose - 5 years ago

There's benefits to both. The Antares galleys are fantastic- probably the biggest galley on any catamaran I've seen of that size- because there's a lot more space in the hull. It also doesn't feel 'down' because it shares a ceiling with the saloon, and there's a lot of natural light. So it's still connected, just separate. Hard to explain, not sure I'm doing it justice. Anyway, we like the Antares down galley, but would happily look at up galley boats too. Downside to up galley is it's far smaller and it takes up saloon space.

Carrie Cunningham - 5 years ago

What fun you all had! Great series!

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Rustie - 5 years ago

Cats are like a raft sitting on the water, in a big storm you set a sea anchor and wait for it to pass. or run a drogue off the stern. they are much safer than monohulls in all situations once you get your head around the stability principles. but there are cats that sail well and can out point a mono and there are cats that are condos and don't sail well. The same can be said for monos.. Cheers Rustie.

Sailing Vessel Freedom - 5 years ago

After 6 years living and cruising on a catamaran, I am now the only human known to man kind going to a mono hull.....lol

Andrew Keir - 5 years ago

It was interesting to hear how professional you thought Jason and Nikki were, They actually really only learnt how to sail around the same time they bought their catamaran. Pretty mind blowing now they have traveled half way around the world on her.

terteena - 5 years ago

good job folks ,well done .

thomas Johns - 5 years ago

Another great video and boat discussion from the Pierce Brosnan and Ms Moneypenny of youtube boat vloggers. Very cool folks.

SanSan - 5 years ago

Super fun watching you with the Wynns! Following you now......understanding Nick better, even with accent. :)

Sailing Yacht Ruby Rose - 5 years ago

It takes some adjustment! Thanks for following!!

David Leatherbarrow - 5 years ago

Hi Nick and Terysa.

I know nothing but I see a lot of starting out you tube families steer away from buying a catamaran because Cats " flip over " , They then cram a family of five into a mono.

People should have a look at what Cat Impi does with a 44 ft Lagoon Cat in All weather on ocean passages. This Cat proves that a Cat well handled can perform and be safe in severe ocean conditions even up and above 40 knots.

Luv Ya Work.

David.

David Leatherbarrow - 5 years ago

+Dominique Nalpas What Brent does with Impi should give new Cat owners a lot of Faith in the inherent ability and stability in modern Cat design.

If people keep allowing their prejudices to hold them back then they will never get to enjoy the Cat experience as Brent and Ana Do. This man is not wreckless but he knows what his boat is capable of and new Cat owners should feel safe setting out to Sea in a Cat instead of sticking to a Mono simply because cat flip over.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion though and that is the way the World is.

David.

Dominique Nalpas - 5 years ago

David Leatherbarrow Absolutely... I second your recommendation to watch Brent’s videos on Cat Impi channel. The Lagoon 440 (or 46 now) : the flybridge should give a completely different sensation with 360° view (regarding seasickness) , and due to the central appendix between the two hulls , as Brent reports, it has a better stability in heavy seas. The design of the Leopard may not be optimum.

Colin Mills - 5 years ago

Mono hull for me. Only ever sailed a cat, called Jade, off Airlie Beach to go diving. The ones I've seen recently all look like caravans inside. I guess it all depends on the experience you're after.

Blue Boats - 5 years ago

At first I couldn't understand that Nikki left the helm to you, then I realized... oh, right, motoring. (not a comment on you...ahem)

misha frog - 5 years ago

I figuired the mono s are for the younger crowd & the Cats for the family and the older people both for short term or live aboard this question will go on and on but on 90% of start-up craft it will be mono mainly because on price, nice to see you with Nik/Jas can i ask how did you go on with the zero meat veggie rules, speaking as a steak man not sure i could survive that test. & not forgetting the composting w c.

misha frog - 5 years ago

Thank you for the reply , Whilst Nikki is a good cook having watched many of her plate fulls , I still feel sorry for Nick , the future means looking at cows/bulls graizing in fields then saying LOOK AT THE RUMP ON THAT salvenating with love struck eyes <he will be suspected of having other women Lol > even worse he might fancy the legs of the local pigs OMG the mind boggles. Sorry getting carried away here . Will look out for your next Q & A blog . greetings from the UK Misha.

Sailing Yacht Ruby Rose - 5 years ago

It's always great to live in someone else's world for a while- how often do we get to do that!? So the composting WC isn't something we ever considered, but in actual fact it was really easy to use (more on this in an upcoming Q&A we filmed with N&J). As for the diet, we've been trying to cut down on our meat intake for a while, which Nick especially has struggled with, as he's very attached to his meat!! But a week on a vegetarian diet was great, as it proved to Nick that it is actually possible to have a filling, balanced meal without meat haha. So we're now slowly cutting out some meats (beef mainly) and trying to eat more plant-based foods, or choosing proteins that are less harmful to the environment to produce (ie, chicken, sustainably sourced fish, tofu). Our motivation is really to try and reduce our environmental impact. I LOVE steak (sooooo much) but it's a treat now, not something we eat regularly.

Mike Ferguson - 5 years ago

Nice Video guys. As an old mono sailor and now having owned my Leopard 40 since 2015 I love my Leopard. I have done 10 000 NM miles with her including Seychelles, Comoros including 38 knots apparent downwind sailing in 4-5m seas I still prefer my Leopard. Many have said that my model 40 are solid sailors when in rough waters and she has surprised me how well she handles in rough weather. Next year my full time cruising starts and I have the odd thought about buying a Leopard 46 but why invest more just for the 2 of us when my 40 is so reliable and set up now.

Sailing Yacht Ruby Rose - 5 years ago

Fantastic stuff Mike. I agree- stick with the boat you know, love, and fulfils your needs. No point changing up just for the sake of it. Best of luck with your cruising plans!

Allo Davis - 5 years ago

how many cruising catamarans have you heard flipping over

Sailing Yacht Ruby Rose - 5 years ago

I actually saw one on the news a few weeks ago.
The skipper was being a tool though and didn’t reef?

Greg Bureau - 5 years ago

Great vid as always. your opening comment about the Wynns being more professional,,,,,, they dont do anything better OR worse than Ruby rose!!!!!!!! They are just different. The Wynns are more Dana Scully while Ruby rose is more Maulder (XFiles)........Ruby rose is Han Solo,,,,,The Wynns more Princess Leiha. Dont change a fuckin thing, the cruising world needs its Han Solo,,,,,,,It also needs its Dana Scully,,,,,, but one can only exist because of the other!!!! Hope you tube dosnt dock you points when your viewers use descriptive words, bad enough that they are putting a leash on HAN SOLO for fuck sake :) dont change or conform any more than the politically correct world is already making you!!!! cheers

Sailing Yacht Ruby Rose - 5 years ago

Mate, that is the greatest comment EVER! Han Solo eh? Haha haha, I’m going to have to break it to Terysa that she’s Chewbacca :)

Marc Andre Robert - 5 years ago

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Dennis Broadfield - 5 years ago

I'm with Nick on this one. I'm 60 and have sailed since I was 8. I raced for many years including "Sydney-Hobarts" and other races in the Southern Ocean. In the 70's and 80's we cruised around the Barrier Reef and the South Pacific without GPS, satellite comms or long term weather modelling and charting. Predicting the weather then was at best a guess and forecasts were never accurate any longer than 3 days ahead - so after a week at sea you were never sure what was coming for you next - you just had to be prepared. You mentioned that "you shouldn't get near bad weather because modern weather modelling gives you such advanced warning". Are you saying that you should only sail when the weather is good in nice predictable areas? No fun in that - and you've just reduced your potential cruising area around the globe by half.

I would have to say - if I was ever in the Southern Ocean again during a winter gale - it would have to be a mono for me... With a drogue, a backed storm jib and all hatches closed a mono will survive most big storms that a catamaran won't. I don't know if you guys remember this, but during the 60's, 70's and 80's around Australia, New Zealand and the South Pacific, Catamarans were disappearing at a rate of around three or four a year and you could never get anyone to take them seriously. They were seen, at best, as an eccentric sailing option. But how the world has changed - It seems that a big platform with huge amounts of room, that can easily take dish washers, air-conditioning, monster TV's and microwaves are more important then safety - but this is probably OK because, as you say, with modern forecasting technology and push button navigation you never need to come close to a calamitous weather event ever again. Now that's progress. PS - Love your videos...

Sailing Yacht Ruby Rose - 5 years ago

Cheers mate. Agree totally, southern ocean gale needs a heavy displacement, long keel. Heave too and get the kettle on.

corujariousa - 5 years ago

You mentioned you are thinking about the next boat (previous videos). Of course the decision is 100% yours and I do get the advantages of a catamaran, when at anchor, but I'd still stick with a monohull. Another channel decided to move from a monohull to a catamaran and the charm of their channel just disappeared for me. I no longer follow them. I believe they've reached a financial independence with Youtube that associated w/ the catamaran just made the current videos seem "shallow". I keep enjoying your channel. The relevance you present, down to Earth dialog and chemistry between the two of you keep me coming back. Thanks and stay the good course. :-)

Sailing Yacht Ruby Rose - 5 years ago

Cheers my friend, I hope that whatever we get we will stay the same as people. I’m been goofing around my entire life, both professionally as a dentist and outside of that. I don’t think it’s going to change :)

Rick Thompson - 5 years ago

Thank you for the great side videos! I really enjoyed hearing your perspective on the cat vs monohull debate! Keep up the great work!

Sailing Yacht Ruby Rose - 5 years ago

Thanks mate

nobody46820 - 5 years ago

Have a look at Neel trimarans.

Sailing Yacht Ruby Rose - 5 years ago

We will mate

Sailing Wannabe - 5 years ago

next time you have pancakes try peanut butter on them with syrup, tip put peanut butter on while they are very warm

Sailing Wannabe - 5 years ago

+Sailing Yacht Ruby Rose speaking of sandwiches banana and peanut butter or pineapple and peanut butter sandwich can't be beat another tip lightly toast the bread

Sailing Yacht Ruby Rose - 5 years ago

OMG I made banana and oat pancakes the other day- WHY didn't I do this!?!? Will just have to make them again!

Noel Faulkner - 5 years ago

Great stuff folks and I love the discussion on boats , yes a cat for comfort and a monohull for fun and if you are caught in a storm defiantly a mono x.

Leslie Holmes - 5 years ago

Great summary of both styles.

Ben Coles - 5 years ago

Having owned a 40 foot catamaran and now a 43 foot centre cockpit monohull there are some things I prefer about my mono. For a start it is more fun to sail because you get feedback as the boat heels. In a catamaran you are constantly looking at your instruments because you can't feel the wind and you just sail by the numbers. This means you are less relaxed when the wind picks up because reefing early is so critical in a catamaran as expensive things can break (or worse) if you are caught out with too much sail in an unexpected gust or squall. You will also notice that catamaran sailors use their autopilots almost all the time as they are just not much fun to sail. Another thing I don't like so much is the motion of a catamaran that tends to be quite jerky and this can be very tiring after a while as your body constantly accelerates and decelerates. A heavy displacement mono cuts through the water rather than bounces over the top of it. I also prefer the spacious and comfortable aft stateroom on my centre cockpit mono which beats anything you can get on a 40 foot catamaran. The forward visibility on my mono is a lot better than it was on the cat and this is a significant safety advantage as I know too many people who have had collisions of one sort or another. Lastly, you can get more bang for your buck with a mono. Not only do they tend to be cheaper to buy, but ongoing maintenance and operating costs are also lower. One final thought: it is not fair to compare a 40 foot mono with a 43 foot catamaran as there is such a huge size difference. I suggest you compare the Leopard 43 with a 54 foot Amel Super Maramu which are of similar size and cost (actually the Amel will be cheaper). The Amel is a go-anywhere cruising machine that eats up the ocean miles in as much comfort, but more safety, load carrying capacity and short-handed ease compared to the Leopard.

craig me - 5 years ago

+Ben Coles thanks for advice

Ben Coles - 5 years ago

Surprisingly for such a big boat the Amel is very well set up for short handed sailing. I have a friend who single hands one no problem. I found our 40 foot cat more of a handful than our 43 foot mono.

craig me - 5 years ago

Yer thanks for the info. But surely you need more crew on a 54?

Sailing Yacht Ruby Rose - 5 years ago

Thanks mate. Appreciate the input

Zulu Zulu - 5 years ago

Excellent guys. So looking forward to the upcoming season. Fairwinds.

Sailing Yacht Ruby Rose - 5 years ago

Fab! That's why we want to film and show the entire process- so we can be a source of information to others. Hope you enjoy!

Rob Chevalier - 5 years ago

I really like your channel has well as the Wynn's. If you like there cat you should look at Voyage catamarans, they are very similar to Leopard and have a bit of an edge on sailing performance. I own a Voyage 440 for 14 years and will be setting out this winter for the Bahamas. Still working now in Cape Cod. Great stuff, Cheers.

Sailing Yacht Ruby Rose - 5 years ago

Good luck with your plans mate

Marc Wolf - 5 years ago

Nice to hear you guys talking yourselves into a cat... I'm with you as I get older it's about not having to bend in half to change a fuel filter. Keep on keeping on :-)

Chango de la Porcelaina Canada - 5 years ago

I think cats are so expensive ...its better just to dock your mono more in a marina and even stay in a luxury hotel for a couple nights to change things up every few months. Unless you have a super fat wallet.

Brett Cameron - 5 years ago

If you are in a cat and have the space; you don't feel the "need" to change it up and get that expensive hotel room.

mindyourownbusiness - 5 years ago

So now youre back on your own boat are you going to use the Nikki beep when you swear? How do you feel about your tattoo now Nisk?

Sailing Yacht Ruby Rose - 5 years ago

Hahaha. The tattoo is of a rowing boat with a sail.

Mark Thomas - 5 years ago

You talk about not ever getting stuck in a terrible storm mid-ocean, and I think that's a big fear for a lot of people (myself included) when imagining a transoceanic voyage. You should consider doing a video on that topic. Seasonal planning, monitoring weather, and any contingencies that you might have for that time when you are at sea and serious weather is predicted.

craig me - 5 years ago

Cats dont sink when they hit things...lots if stuff to hit. I watched a vlog of a mono boat hit a whale mid ocean, sank in 2 mins. Lose a rudder, lose an engine, mono hull doomed.

Sailing Yacht Ruby Rose - 5 years ago

That's a great idea Mark. It's actually not at all scary once you understand the world's weather systems, but I get that many people won't know much about that if they're just starting out. I highly recommend Jimmy Cornell's World Cruising Routes (it's a book), which explains this in incredible detail. But yeah, a video could be a good idea.

Justin nitsuj - 5 years ago

!! that's a big draw for me, the weather. Obviously not to be in some mad storm. But all the planning required of the handful of variables.

a friend of mine says he would be afraid to sail an ocean, because the whole not near land thing.

G11713 - 5 years ago

You've shortened your introductory song. I''d gotten use to the longer version as it did 'roll you' with that weird false end in the middle, but what'evs. :)

R. E. Hill - 5 years ago

There's no statistics that shows catamarans being more unsafe than mono hulls...

Sailing Yacht Ruby Rose - 5 years ago

I’d like to see where that was cited.

Klemen Prezelj - 5 years ago

No need to point like a brick house. Just buy Australian or Catana. https://yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-catamarans/schionning-wilderness-1100-performance-cruiser/228535

leer1024 - 5 years ago

I own a 36 mono, and have spent many weeks on a 43 leopard. You have listed the differences very well, except for one thing. After a few days on the mono, I get used to the motion and can easily move around . With the cat, that just doesnt seem to happen as it seems to have a 'broken' motion, which is much more unpredictable and difficult to anticipate, probably caused by waves hitting each hull at different times.

Sailing Yacht Ruby Rose - 5 years ago

Yes, I know what you mean. Even when it's really rough, there's a rhythm to the movement of the boat so you can sense how the boat is going to move a split second before it does. I can see how you wouldn't get that on a cat.

Why Me? - 5 years ago

I agree! On to Ruby Rose II!

ian hawkins - 5 years ago

Great vlog Very informative have a great time guys

rjtumble - 5 years ago

too bad that collab is over, it was great seeing you both. on the plus side, they introduced me to your channel so I'm better off. Looking forward to when you two start looking at cats, that will be an interesting series.

Sailing Yacht Ruby Rose - 5 years ago

Cheers mate. Welcome to our channel :)

Jj Coronet - 5 years ago

2 boats meet your needs i think a blue coast c95 cat or a moody 54ds or both lol

Sailing Yacht Ruby Rose - 5 years ago

Will take a look my friend

Zach Davis - 5 years ago

one of the best mono/cat discussions i've seen, thanks for your experience and insight

Sailing Yacht Ruby Rose - 5 years ago

Thanks mate

wmscavone3 - 5 years ago

Great episode and I love that your cat/monohull debate included a focus on safety. You both made great points. One check mark in the pro cat safety column is redundancy of systems. Most monohulls are also mono engine, mono rudder (not the Southerlys but most...:), mono prop, mono fuel tank and when those systems fail you are potentially dead in the water. The redundant systems inherent to a cats design offer quite a bit of reassurance that a mechanical failure would rarely leave you dead in the water. The other side of the coin is you have the cost of maintaining two systems. Every pro has a con but in this case, I think the pro out weighs the con. Keep the great debate going.

Marc Harrison - 5 years ago

Glad you got to experience the time with The Winn’s. Variety is the spice of life. Love your matter-of-factness...

Norman D - 5 years ago

A cruising catamaran that is a sailors boat is big money. Maybe wait a few years until the current era of high performance cruising cat is affordable. They will be foiling by then, so maybe.

Rob Smith - 5 years ago

Great video guys, just as a note, I went from mono hull to cat back to mono; primarily due to the motion of the cat,( I never grew to like it) and secondly I was fed up with paying twice the mooring fees in marinas. Rob

Sailing Yacht Ruby Rose - 5 years ago

Yeah, if we go for a cat we really are committing to cruising grounds with loads of anchorages... which we prefer anyway.

Chris McGann - 5 years ago

Love it, love you

bilyd333 - 5 years ago

I don't know about anyone else, but for me, the first, last, and basically only thing that determines mono vs cat....$. Were I to have my choice, eliminating $, yeah cat is the way I would go. For me, $ is the determining factor for just about everything. Bust Out Another Thousand.

Marshall Browne - 5 years ago

Yes for the majority of us the cat is just way too expensive. I would love a cat also it will just never happen. 250k for a decent cat and that is just to start.

simon talbot - 5 years ago

Seen lots of Cats cross the Atlantic Nick, they all made it.
I saw an Aus hit a reef in his Cat and sink, but not seen one flip
What if you tripped over a Cat this year that was an opportunity not to be missed ?
Never forget even Nelson was seasick (and Hornblower)
Your week with the Wynnes was a pleasure to watch , as you are solo
Thanks for the hard work in producing your vids for our entertainment
See you back in Spain

Anthony Bornice - 5 years ago

Cats in bad weather - you might want to look at sv honeymoon, they were in bad weather with very high seas, bare polling it and did fine. just figured it might help you on your search.

Keith Walker - 5 years ago

Hi Guys, big shout out to Terysa for turning what will be the greatest adventure of my life too... “those milk run routes!”
As for Nick... RR3 wow thinking ahead there how wonderful life is. Keep it up guys love it.

Keith Walker - 5 years ago

Sailing Yacht Ruby Rose You didn’t trivialise for me, it made me laugh so much i almost watched it twice! Though when step ashore in Grenada I’m going to be as deflated as my liferaft!

Sailing Yacht Ruby Rose - 5 years ago

Bahah, didn't mean to trivialise it- the milk run is hugely adventurous to us too! That's our future plan!

Tihomir Rasperic - 5 years ago

There long term argument about mono-hull and catamaran
but make it few:
Mono-hull pro:
- man choice
- more fun
- sailing upwind
- cheaper marina anchor

Catamaran pro
- woman choice
- low Draft
- extremely fast downwind
- more space

Steve Mullholand - 5 years ago

I've owned 44' mono and cat. The real list would be:

Mono hull pro:
Cheaper (usually cry about multi hulls because they can't afford one)
Can point better

Multi hull pro:
Every other point goes to Multi.
Upwind to 35 degrees - a good catamaran crushes. Just have to have the right boat and right sails.

david leighton - 5 years ago

And yes the motion is very different which takes getting use to. Also, when you're sailing to the limit and that gust comes, the mono may broach and recover but the cat might go over, and not recover!

nobody46820 - 5 years ago

Yeah, that about sums it up.

Paul C - 5 years ago

I think you should visit Neel sometime in the future. If only to make the comparison. With regards st to heeling I specifically asked the same question. You can read the answer here, youtu.be/AAIUzidUByg

Ivansgarage - 5 years ago

Fill a mono with water Glub Glub going down, all cats will still float even upside down, cats got half the draft... there is no comparison... most cats will do almost twice the speed of a mono...

joanne d - 5 years ago

" most cats will do almost twice the speed of a mono..." No its actually about 25-30%."

Cat's are very weight sensitive so you can't load a lot without your performance suffering a lot, limiting range for long voyages.
When a cat flips it stays flipped. On a mono close your hatches in bad weather and if you flip is very good chance the boat self rights. Mono's are also harder to flip due to the weight of the keel and being lower in water.
Newer designed monohaul's have pretty good performance with speed, much better then the previous generation. Monohauls can be loaded down much more then cats with not a lot lost in performance for long ocean crossings. Also monohulls are more affordable in price, in docking, storage fees and maintenance. Cats docking fees can be almost double that of a mono in many places.
There is a comparison and it comes down to what you need out of the boat and what you can afford.
If you using the measurements you going by a trimaran beats both and has some of the advantages of both but again costs are issue.

Brian Joyce - 5 years ago

Everyone wants to ‘party’ with the Wynns

Lee N - 5 years ago

So what happens the end of the month when you guys are not EU residents? 90 days like the rest of us new worlders?

Sailing Yacht Ruby Rose - 5 years ago

Nothing mate. I’m dual national. Terysa is my long term partner, she gets the same as me.

Raymond Lillie - 5 years ago

My wife an I have sailed our older Fountain Pajot al over the Atlantic and Caribbean for a number of years. I have owned both mono's and cat's. First we rented about a half dozen cats over the years to check them out.
We were in our 60's then. We are now in our 70's.
We had to sell our boat because of 2008 debacle but we loved our cat. Put much sweat equity into it and we learned a lot. We were in storms with her and doldrums. She alway got us through.
The one and only drawback that we had was the expense of storing her on the hard. We were charged with taking up the space of two boats.
She was not fast, about as fast as a mono but very comfortable and stable.

Raymond Lillie - 5 years ago

+Sailing Yacht Ruby Rose No unfortunately . If you have any questions I might be able to help in you quest for a cat. Love following you both. Started following the Wynns and now you. I guess what I like is the fact you all are younger than me. You all more energy. Not that I am a slug but you know.

Sailing Yacht Ruby Rose - 5 years ago

Thanks mate. Are you still sailing?

Satguy 141 - 5 years ago

Both of my favorite sailing channels together.

Sailing Yacht Ruby Rose - 5 years ago

Cheers mate

Ed Kirstein - 5 years ago

Maybe you guys simply want a change which a cat gives you. Then you don't need to justify it further. We felt like we needed a change after 7 years on a monohull. We traded for a trawler.

Ed Kirstein - 5 years ago

+Sailing Yacht Ruby Rose the trawler gave us room for AC, gen which improved our comfort. At that stage we were back from the Carribean and doing the icw year after year. It suited us at the time. Years later, we live in Raleigh NC and have a pair of kayaks.

Sailing Yacht Ruby Rose - 5 years ago

I have trawler envy mate

BayAreaBlues - 5 years ago

Your channel has become like Pulp Fiction or Momento - we all keep bouncing around in time! Of course, you'll need A LOT more bloodshed to keep up with Tarantino. ;-)

BayAreaBlues - 5 years ago

Classic!

Sailing Yacht Ruby Rose - 5 years ago

"It breaks down like this: It's legal to buy it, it's legal to own it, and, if you're the proprietor of a hash bar, it's legal to sell it. It's illegal to carry it, but that doesn't really matter 'cause—get a load of this—if you get stopped by the cops in Amsterdam, it's illegal for them to search you. I mean, that's a right the cops in Amsterdam don't have.”

Richard Simpson - 5 years ago

love watching you two !

Matt Hughes - 5 years ago

A suggestion, maybe let folks know what dates your videos covers. Would be interesting to know.

Sailing Yacht Ruby Rose - 5 years ago

This was the first week of January 2019 my friend

john wheeler - 5 years ago

You are both in love with Ruby Rose !!!

Peter Lewis - 5 years ago

Love your series and watch all. The thing you have not discussed is the relationship of mono
size to Cat size. I feel your comparison to your current yacht to a 43-foot cat is not the balance to comfort/performance ratio. If you compared a 50 - 52-foot mono to a 43-foot cat your balance would be more correct. The differences to your boat to a 43 cat would be the same as to a say 52-foot mono. Food for thought and debate. Love to hear your comments. Peter

Sailing Yacht Ruby Rose - 5 years ago

Fair point and well made.

Robert Edens - 5 years ago

Loved it. You bring the childishness out in each other. It was great... No doubt a lifetime friendship was born...

Sailing Yacht Ruby Rose - 5 years ago

Absolutely my friend. They are fantastic people

Dan Thomas - 5 years ago

There are heavy sea tacticts for catamarans the same as monohulls.
Having owned and sailed both in heavy weather. Having used some of those tactics on ocasion I can tell you they work great.
With all that being said. I would not go back to a monohull as my liveaboard cruiser.

We all looking at a Leopard 39 to buy. So I was doing some research and found this video with a Leopard 39 in some very heavy seas.
https://youtu.be/hQ-svmgOxqw

Mark Thomas - 5 years ago

Oh my god, that gave me anxiety.

George Kozi - 5 years ago

One hull Ruby, the other hull Rose...

Sailing Yacht Ruby Rose - 5 years ago

Cheers Dale

Kristi Black - 5 years ago

I really enjoyed your mini-series with the Wynn's! Before we bought our catamaran (a custom Crowther 50'), we really debated between a monohull and a catamaran. We did a few passages, some we had to pay a substantial amount for, and some passages with friends. In the end, we could have gone with either or, but when we found SOBAD (an acronym I hope to tell you over drinks someday), we knew she was the one. We knew going the catamaran route, we would be conceding some performance level, but daggerboards definitely help with that. Cheers!

Sailing Yacht Ruby Rose - 5 years ago

Thanks Kristi. Look forward to hearing about that acronym over drinks :)

Idaho Rider - 5 years ago

: Very glad you had such fun on the Catamaran. Just like RV's there is not the perfect RV or boat. Trade offs always. Stay well &happy.

Cory Hawkins - 5 years ago

I have truly enjoyed your videos with the Wynns. Great chemistry between the four of you.

Sailing Yacht Ruby Rose - 5 years ago

Thanks Cory

Niagra2011 - 5 years ago

What a great week of videos with Nikki and Jason. If you both enjoyed the past week half as much as it looked, than I would say it was a fantastic time. The Wynns are great people and it would be a dream to spend the day with them let alone a week with them on the water too. You both are so enjoyable to watch and pairing the four of you together was simply magical! Thanks for bringing us along for several episodes! I am really looking forward to your new season. Thank you both for all you do. It makes my rough days so much better! I thank you sincerely!!!

Sailing Yacht Ruby Rose - 5 years ago

Awww, cheers my friend. Glad you enjoyed them

Libtarded - 5 years ago

Him- "In 20 years I'd like to be living on a boat" Her- "What about me?" Him- "If I haven't made ya walk the plank" lol.

mrjohada31 - 5 years ago

Really enjoyed the crossover series!

ari20 - 5 years ago

Did you guys buy " Cheeky Monkey " the cataraman from Chase the Story channel ?? I was in Australia and heard it got sold recently to another youtuber ... just thought could be you guys ...

Sailing Yacht Ruby Rose - 5 years ago

+ari20 yep, we like both of those catamarans.

ari20 - 5 years ago

+Sailing Yacht Ruby Rose Ok .. just a thought .. check st. francis & privilege brand of catamarans if you guys can

Sailing Yacht Ruby Rose - 5 years ago

No mate not us.

Viking - 5 years ago

Your two sailing channels are the only ones I follow so obviously I loved it, make it happen in the future again!

brettney72 - 5 years ago

90% time is spent at Anchor so cats are great BUT I prefer Monohulls

Linda Eaton Brenizer - 5 years ago

We are always in flux as someone said. Just embrace it. Thankful you are taking us along. Blessings. Vids are just wonderful. So fun.

Jason Reid - 5 years ago

Love the channel...not a big fan of watching Mediterranean sailing...not even sure why...just doesn’t seem exotic or varied enough perhaps...but looking forward to seeing you explore.

Tony Alexander - 5 years ago

I agree spent way to much time there in the U.S. Navy...

Steve Holett - 5 years ago

Jason Reid it seems a lot of channels are doing the med run right now.... it's awful! Boring - busy marinas and motor sailing everywhere. Turns into a travel channel about endless cobblestone towns than a channel about sailing. HOWEVER! Love Ruby Rose!!! And will always watch.

the buff shark #33 - 5 years ago

Yes you finally tryed a catamaran like i said you should

Sailing Yacht Ruby Rose - 5 years ago

Haha, cheers mate

the buff shark #33 - 5 years ago

10th comment

the buff shark #33 - 5 years ago

75th veiwer

Glen Peters - 5 years ago

Another interesting video and a continuation of what is becoming an age old conversation, cat VS mono. The points you both raised and answered are right, the chances of being caught in something really nasty nowadays is pretty slim as long as you monitor your weather charts and if something unpleasant starts to build you usually have plenty of time to avoid it. The way a cruising cat is built now is way different to even ten years ago, they are stronger in hull and rigging and you would have to do something pretty dumb to tip one over. The motion is different but like most ocean sailing you get accustomed to it. Last and probably not least, most cruisers spend at least 80% of their time 'on the hook' and going no-where, with that in mind a cat would win hands down every time for livability, your own travels over the past few years should show you how much time you spend actually sailing and how much time sitting still exploring your location. Enjoy Ruby Rose II when she arrives.

Mike Hagen - 5 years ago

What about mooring/docking costs? And canals? I'd expect monos to be cheaper & easier to manage in both cases. I'll admit, most of my experience is racing on someone else's mono, or sailing a rented Hobie for the day. Cats, I expect, cost more in any marina because of their beam.

Sailing Yacht Ruby Rose - 5 years ago

Very true my friend. You buy a cat. You pay more, hence you sail it in areas that aren’t totally dependent on being in Marina’s

Ian Burne - 5 years ago

Great video as always. Didn’t like the font on the closing text as hard to read. X

Julie and Mike Lawrie - 5 years ago

Love it! We love the Wynns also and so enjoyed these videos!

2212db - 5 years ago

7:11 Nick remembered to stand closer to the razor :)

Wade - 5 years ago

Great ending of the mini series! Looking forward to see Ruby Rose floating and the new sails catching it's first wind!

Zac Brown - 5 years ago

Great series of videos! Looking forward to the Mediterranean!

rayred74 - 5 years ago

It is a great debate. Ultimately, no choice is final, if you try a cat and you don't like it, then get a Pogo and feel really connected (from a pogo sailor) ;-)

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