We Removed a 26-Year-Old Keel Bolt... | ⛵ Sailing Britaly ⛵

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Crevice corrosion on keel bolts can sink a boat, so we took the decision to inspect ours. We didn't expect it to look like this... Link to Free PDF about Keel Bolt Maintenance, Including Keel Bolt Torque Specifications: http://jandmore.loesch.li/media/files/waterlinekeelboltsarticle.pdf Here's another useful link about how to check keel bolts: http://www.pbo.co.uk/expert-advice/how-to-check-keel-bolts-28039 ⛵ Sailing Britaly ⛵ brings you the sailing shenanigans of Chris (British), Rossella (Italian), and baby Emma (Britalian) as we sail our 1992 Bavaria 350. We make sailing vlogs of our cruising adventures and share any tips and tricks we can along the way. After all, sailors are one big family! Thank you very much for watching, subscribe to see more of our videos! (It's FREE) http://www.youtube.com/subscription_center?add_user=UC64BFQulaAIl1xWG4DJlQ8A Join our Patreon Crew! http://patreon.com/sailingbritaly More Sailing Britaly here: Instagram: http://instagram.com/sailingbritaly Twitter: http://twitter.com/sailingbritaly Facebook: http://facebook.com/sailingbritaly Fair winds! 👍 Chris, Rossella and Emma -------------------- 'Sailing Britaly' is a Helvellyn Ltd brand. Disclaimer: Due to factors beyond the control of Helvellyn Ltd, we cannot guarantee against unauthorized modifications of this information, or improper use of this information. Helvellyn Ltd assumes no liability for property damage, injury or death incurred as a result of any of the information contained in this video. Helvellyn Ltd. recommends safe practices when working with power tools, automotive lifts, lifting tools, jack stands, electrical equipment, blunt instruments, chemicals, lubricants, open flames, or any other tools or equipment seen or implied in this video. Due to factors beyond the control of Helvellyn Ltd, no information contained in this video shall create any express or implied warranty or guarantee of any particular result. Any injury, damage or loss that may result from improper use of these tools, equipment, or the information contained in this video is the sole responsibility of the user and not Helvellyn Ltd. Disclosure: any links in this description may be affiliate links. If you decide to buy some items from them, Helvellyn Ltd may receive a small percentage compensation for having suggested the suppliers to you. (This costs you nothing) Helvellyn Ltd only recommends suppliers and products which we believe in, so there is never any conflict of interest. p.s. Check out our Sailing Tips here: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL_iyMbUuKBT57uW0zNXoP1hW15yGeQPGJ p.p.s. Check out our Sailing Adventures! https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL_iyMbUuKBT5rZT__kebjMtaugOvkuHve #sailing #boatwork #refit #babyonboard

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Romeo Whiskey - 6 years ago

BROKEN LINK:
http://waterlinesystems.com/wp-conten...

Atrhur Robey - 6 years ago

Some racing fanatic added a lump of lead to the bottom of my keel.
I'm sure that the extra leverage has snapped my keel bolts.

TheTractorjaws - 6 years ago

Why not write down the examination date on a sticker etc beside the bolt?

Kevin Swanson - 6 years ago

i was just looking at the thickness of your hull and if its solid fiberglass or grp its solid.

SailnBlue - 6 years ago

Hmmm...a sailboat with no keel bolts or studs gives one just one less thing to worry about....works for me...

ClayZ - 6 years ago

That bolt looks like it broke and the rest of it is still down inside.

Sailing Britaly - 6 years ago

This bolt was in perfect condition, and complete. The keel nuts are located in pockets close to the top of the keel, so the bolts don't need to be long to reach them and fully engage. Fair winds, Chris

Jack Rabbit - 6 years ago

Emma is soooo cute!

Sailing Britaly - 6 years ago

Thank you!

nuno santiago - 6 years ago

I took one of the bolts off on my 1980 Westerly Fulmar and it looked as good as yours.

Lee Fox - 6 years ago

Study electrolysis. Use a non conductive Dielectric grease 2 slow down such degradation

ramsey barber - 6 years ago

Hi all the copper bottoms had nothing to do with the integrity of the ships of the Spanish Fleet it was to stop the Toredo Worm boring into the ships timbers.
It was the rocks in Cadiz that caused the destruction of the Fleet [ with help of a few English cannon balls during the Battle]

Lee Fox - 6 years ago

Sailing Britaly hey partner, I spent 30 years in the Gulf of Mexico oil and gas production for Union Oil Company of California. We had seamless stainless steel 316l control lines that overtime was affected. From the looks of the bolt that use the right alloy, and they probably beaded the bolt properly and you were wise to seal it after you put it back in as whatever they did you disturbed when you remove the bolt. As I said lanolin which is basically sheep sweat I have seen work perfectly with bronze studs embedded in lead having been in the surf for several years. As you know the splash zone is worse than full immersion. From your video it looks like the bolt was well sealed. Without any moisture no action took place. As you know, the boat can develop issues later on. Enjoyed the Exchange good luck.

Sailing Britaly - 6 years ago

Lee Fox Hi Lee, I know what electrolysis (and galvanic corrosion) is: I work offshore inspection oil and gas platforms with ROV's for a living. My point was, the bolt keel is perfect, with no corrosion whatsoever, so the factory installation method was perfect. Cheers, Chris

Lee Fox - 6 years ago

electrolysis is the movement of metal molecules from one place to another created by two dissimilar metals in the presence of an electrolyte causing a battery like action. It was the cause of the destruction of the Spanish Fleet at Traflagar who had copper bottoms fixed with Steel nails. I have taken one keel apart from a wreck that had been treated with lanolin on the threads and after several years in the surf came right apart. The degradation would be the reduction of a critical piece of metal over a period of time from metal loss.

Sailing Britaly - 6 years ago

What degradation would that be Lee?

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Paul Scott - 6 years ago

Just a quick thought, ask round on Facebook, or even contact a local NDT company, and ask them to perform a phased array bolt inspection for you, you just need to file the head of the bolt a little, and ultrasound will do the rest for you

Paul Scott - 6 years ago

glad to help, just remember you need to do Phased Array, as you will need the beamspread to check the threads, normal UT will just hit the bottom of the bolt and give you the length of it, think of a cree torch, focused and wide aperture, use PA +20 to -20 degree spread and you will see most of the threads, if you see all the threads, bolts are good, if not, think about pulling them :-)

Sailing Britaly - 6 years ago

Hi Paul, thank you for this brilliant suggestion. I have my thinking cap on now as this would be easy to arrange while we are still in the UK and would save me a job for the future (also avoiding the possible introduction of a path for seawater to get to a previously inaccessible bolt after me disturbing them during removal.) I am a ROV Supervisor and have taken UT measurements of caissons on oil platforms- flying the ROV onto the caisson in order to take measurements. Now that you raised this I believe it may be the perfect solution... Cheers and fair winds! Chris

Paul Scott - 6 years ago

Just watched your earlier vids and seen that you work offshore, ha ha, small world, try having a crack with one the guys there, they will tell you all about UT especially phased array, if there is anyone local to you, it would only take about 1 hour to scan all your bolts and check them, save you taking them all out, and give you peace in mind in one foul swoop good luck, loving your channel I have a dream of doing this too one day

Fred Pinczuk - 6 years ago

Cute kid, tks for sharing

Andrew Parry - 6 years ago

Glad to have a full, integral keel, on my Westsail 33, so I don't have to think about this. No doubt my negative gut reaction to bolting a keel on is merely prejudice...and cannot be backed up by science/facts.... Still, this negativity pushes me to go above and beyond...so I run with it.

I'm not a fan of stainless steel, and I'd have pulled every bolt, and likely replaced them all, unless I knew their history for a fact. I'm also curious about titanium. I've only read one thing about its use in a keel. But if it's compatible with iron, and is as good for the task as I was led to believe...I suppose that’s what I'd use, whatever the price may be. Just my two cents worth :-)

Lord Humongus - 6 years ago

Monel or stainless steel? Stainless steel is subject to stress corrosion cracking because the chloride eats away between the metal grains. Monel has good resistance to salt water.

Joseph Keck - 6 years ago

Your little baby brought tears to my eyes. What an amazing sweet doll. God bless her little soul.

Sailing Britaly - 6 years ago

Joseph Keck That's lovely to hear Joseph, thank you for letting us know that Emma is making other people happy too! Fair winds, Chris, Rossella & Emma :-)

offplanetevent - 6 years ago

The keel bolt looked new, but what is its tensile stress level now after being under stress for years?

Voodoo one - 6 years ago

Should have checked them all. Seen many times a few have been corroded

Magne Polden - 6 years ago

And then you get a good image of which bolt was out, and put a date on it, just so it's easy to forget which bolt was out when. The picture are to be pasted in to the ships todo book.

Capttomguam Buckley - 6 years ago

Engrave the bolt heads with today's date and a % value on each before reinstalling!!!

Capttomguam Buckley - 6 years ago

Emma is a "Hamm"!!!!! What a joy....how lucky you are!!!

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RealityIsTheNow - 6 years ago

Lucky break. Boat must have been taken care of. I've seen bolts half that age nearly corroded away entirely by salty bilges.

Mark Muller - 6 years ago

"If it ain't broke, don't fix it" doesn't apply to boats. Preventative maintenance is imperative if you want to stay safe and minimize disasters at sea. You mentioned crevice corrosion which is a big one and of course, electrolysis which is a constant issue because builders continue to marry aluminum spars and stainless fixings without adequate buffers.
Most dismastings, loss of rudders and eaten metal is due to people ignoring things like pulling keel bolts, chain plate inspection, rudder post inspection/renewing bushings and not replacing their stainless standing rigging (because it looks perfect on the outside and so & so circumnavigated for 30 years with the same standing rigging pub stories).
If you want a strong seaworthy vessel that you can put your faith in crossing oceans with your family aboard, then don't be a cheap skate. Anyway, it's false economy - new standing rigging, pulling the chain plate bolts and inspecting the chain plates is a hell of a lot cheaper than a dismasting (which could result in the ultimate price - your life!)
When I bought our cat In Martinique it was only 5 years old. I still paid a rigger to pull and inspect the chain plate bolts. 400 euro was a cheap price to pay for peace of mind.
You're on the right track, always be proactive and preventative with boat systems...... young Emma will thank you later ;)

Harry Bloom - 6 years ago

Great! In all, how many bolts are there?

Flatcap007 - 6 years ago

Don't like them ladders near that pallatine fence, don't wanna see Emma's Dad getting skuward, you be careful - both of you!

claymore2k1 - 6 years ago

I might have liked this channel, but I hate click bait titles.

Kevin Fisher - 6 years ago

I already did :/

As per the Title: They removed keel bolt and we are looking (clicking on video and watching) to find out what they found once the bolt was removed. This is exactly what happens when a viewer clicks on the video, they get to watch the video and find out what condition the keel bolt was in and exactly what the channel found once they removed it.

Click bait would be to click the video and either a) see story about keel bolt and contemplating removing one, but never actually showing the end result, or b) no mention of the keel bolt at all.

Beginning to think you do not understand what click bait. It is using a feature to attract viewers, but which has nothing to do with (in this case video) at all. The video is about something totally different and has no relevance with title or icon image at all. Maybe even very little relevance.

claymore2k1 - 6 years ago

Quote "The thumbnail obscures the threads as if it didn't there would be no point in watching the video at all" If that's not click bait, then explain to me what is?

Kevin Fisher - 6 years ago

Because the point is to watch the video and find out, as the title implies. But that is different topic than click bait.

claymore2k1 - 6 years ago

So why not put " We removed a 26 year old keel bolt and it was fine"

Kevin Fisher - 6 years ago

Click bait title? They removed a really old bolt, and the mystery was to see in what condition it might still be in once removed. We got to see the condition and so solved the mystery ... just as the owner got too with their dilemna on whether to remove and fears of what condition it might be in if they didnt check it. A very aptly titled video and portrays small part of what I am sure how the owner felt, sharing that with us viewers and small part of their journey.

Sailing Britaly - 6 years ago

It's not a click bait title. We were genuinely gobsmacked at the condition of the (304 SS) bolt 26 years after it was fitted. The thumbnail obscures the threads as if it didn't there would be no point in watching the video at all. Fair winds, Chris

RoadGoose - 6 years ago

I have a Beneteau First 285 manufactured in 1989

The heads of the (original?) keel boats are corroded (I am not sure if they are stainless - based on the corrosion I have I'd say they're not SS???) - watching your concern at your keel bolts which are 1000% better shape than mine now has me concerned a little!!

nevets7152 - 6 years ago

That is not a bolt it is a screw, a bolt does not have thread along the entire length it has thread along maybe the last 2 thirds .

Sailing Britaly - 6 years ago

nevets7152 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolt_(fastener)#Bolts_vs._screws On our boat there are nuts located on the keel, so these are bolts. I worked as a mechanical technician on Royal Air Force aircraft for 7.5 years and continue to work with mechanical systems offshore on ROV's. If you want to be correct every time, call them fasteners... Fair winds, Chris

SV Impavidus (Ant & Cid Sailing) - 6 years ago

Right decision! As a 20 year Bavaria owner and ex vice commodore of the BOA, I can assure you there is a lot of misinformation about keel bolts and stud's. We recently heard of someone who keeps re torquing their stud nuts!! A no, no if you understand the properties of SS and the the way it can stretch, gaul, or crevice corrode. Well done guy's looking forward to buying you a beer in the Med when our paths cross. Love the Happy bunny sequences just makes us grin! Oh BTW take a look at our Facebook page to see what we were saying about exhaust elbow failure! It is "Impavidus Ontheboat". Ant & Cid xx

SV Impavidus (Ant & Cid Sailing) - 6 years ago

We are leaving next Thursday. PM us on facebook perhaps we can meet up for a bottle of red (and a juice) on our respective journeys. Sail safe Ant and Cid xx

homie789 - 6 years ago

You should have pulled and replaced them all anyway. I did mine last year on my Beneteau 400, it is a hell of a job as you have to tear out the entire cabin and front berth but it is well worth it. One might be good that could also be the one good bolt out of the entire lot. Mine were all good but was slightly more visible pitting on the front bolts which makes sense since you going forward creating more stress on the front. Also if your bolts are really stainless steel you have to coat the threads in a compound to stop gulling of the threads between bolt and nut. This is very very important as this will destroy both the bolt and nut so next time you go to remove them you will have to replace the nut also. Don't reuse compound off the floor as that has debris on it which will also destroy threads.

Elisa Sagramoso - 6 years ago

Complimenti, la vostra bimba è splendida. Spero tornerete presto in acqua.
Buon vento da Milano .....

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Archibald Tuttle - 6 years ago

Emma is a cutey pie if I may say so!

Sailing Inconceivable - 6 years ago

Your manual bilge pump handle is heavier than ours. If I put my weight into it like that, she'd bend like a green twig.
~Hans

Kevin Swanson - 6 years ago

it is a well-built boat then.

Mark Seabaugh - 6 years ago

I like all the great info Gina likes the shots of Emma

Rustie - 6 years ago

I would be very worried if all the keel bolts are that size, that could be a locating bolt. The main keel bolts should be longer and at least 25mm in diameter. Maybe stress fatigue might be an issue. Insurance companies usually want them replaced every 15 years, worth looking into..

mynhardt saayman - 6 years ago

New to your channel. Good seeing you are using anti seaze compound nothing is as bad as when stainless bolts seaze.

FrenchAM100 - 6 years ago

That is good news,on the bolt you didn't need any issues there as I'm sure you want to get back afloat ASAP. Loved your thought bubbles as the sort of thing that goes through my head when doing jobs and the misses is watching... Andy UK

Christopher Matthews - 6 years ago

Good info and cyuuuuute kid, good work you two~

Kraken - 6 years ago

Dodged a bullet there! Happy to see you don't have another major project to work on. I really like the idea of bolts into nuts embedded in epoxy pockets rather than studs. You just demonstrated the brilliance of this concept, you can remove and replace easily without being on the hard and separating the entire keel joint. Worst case, even if there is a small leak somewhere in hull to keel joint, you can easily replace the bolts one at a time without hauling out! This peace of mind only costs you a few pounds per bolt and can be done anytime. Very cool.

Apache Moonshine23 - 6 years ago

How cute is little baby princess Emma please. Congratulations to use Iv probably said it before but I’ll say it again congratulations to you both. Iv two children both girls my youngest is 9 & my eldest is 15. Hope you have a big family to sail the world and show them that uses are living the real life. Have fun down in sunny ken. What part of Kent are you from. My dad an my brother & sisters still live in Hearn bay. Beautiful place in the summer

Russell Brander - 6 years ago

That's the cutest baby on the internet.

Alan B - 6 years ago

The boat I sail on was built in 1972, they removed some of the original keel bolts recently and they looked like new too.

Div3r - 6 years ago

I’m an ex RAF techie like you (sooty) and I couldn’t sleep at night not knowing the condition of all the keel bolts. I still remember the flight safety poster with the words “Dead Sure, Dead Lucky, Dead” I have applied that ethos to many aspects of my life, it has served me well.

Div3r - 6 years ago

Never was a truer word spoken in jest. On my first tour at Odiham I seriously thought I was going to take root in the crewroom, so I volunteered to be a Liney, never looked back.

Page Greer - 6 years ago

I get there was a video I didn't see oh well live and learn.

Page Greer - 6 years ago

Also such caring and loving Dad and Madre.

Page Greer - 6 years ago

Also is there a known torque value that is stated somewhere. All that force on the bolt if it's not set the same value as the others could cause the others to work lose. Boy did open up a can worms . Just there is so much force on the keel when under sail said the non sailer.

Page Greer - 6 years ago

You were so keen on getting in the water. You had a problem with rudder so what precluded you from going into the water? More so what brought up the concern of the keel bolt corrosion.I recently started following you . I watched your attempt a the quick and explanation off it. It made sense why it didn't work. Just one of those things . Or as new father did that have a bearing on the decison .Bearing pun intended.

Rick Bailey - 6 years ago

Emma is so cute!

andrew - 6 years ago

Your videos have become very professional, well made, great informative content, sprinkles of humor and touching family snips.
thanks for the upload

EricOverThere - 6 years ago

What is this washing machine you speak of??? Didn’t think that was possible!

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rs8684 - 6 years ago

Your daughter is an absolute cutie!!

Andy B68 - 6 years ago

The Emma show, starring her dad working on a boat. How she smiles! Great video of precious family times.

Sailing Britaly - 6 years ago

Grazie mille! Buon vento, Rossella, Chris & Emma

OKuusava - 6 years ago

clickbaits? ;-)

OKuusava - 6 years ago

You are right. After watching the episode I'm too wondering the like new bolt.

Andre Marais - 6 years ago

If you are afraid to sail because of your daughter, dont. Yet do not project.

Trawler Travels - 6 years ago

The bedding compound may be dolfinite. Great stuff and still available. We pulled the window frames on a 77 Grand Banks the were bedded in it. Most of the frames still had soft compound.
Its also inexpensive.
I am naturally optimistic, but I would pull all the bolts. You will sleep better.
Keep up the great work

Sailing Britaly - 6 years ago

Hi there, thank you for the heads up on Dolfinite, I'll make a mental note of that for the future. Fair winds, Chris (Plus Rossella & Emma)

theislandpackrat - 6 years ago

That bolt was in great condition! You will sleep better for sure.

Ed Russell - 6 years ago

Great as always. Good content, if she's up for it, show some of how mommy spends her day too. We don't see much of her these days.

Ed Russell - 6 years ago

Sailing Britaly hey thanks for responding. Just a suggestion from an armchair sailor. You guys keep doing your thing. Its wonderful.

ScubaTony Anschutz - 6 years ago

Wow! Amazing. Like new! Never seen anything like that? Could they have been redone recently?

ScubaTony Anschutz - 6 years ago

Outstanding! Looks like you found a great boat for sure! That bolt looked like it was installed yesterday

Alfredo Catani - 6 years ago

Per certe imprese bisogna guardare i propri incubi in faccia .... and finally I saw a plate of pasta in a sailboat worthy of being called that...;-) Buon vento..

Old Solider - 6 years ago

Wow ! Take that one and box it! Informative as ever Chris! Thanks. One day I will take the plunge, girls a little older and boss has great job! Risk averse at present! Great to see Emma loves everything! Keep them coming

z non - 6 years ago

You evaluate risk quiet well. You'll make a great captain.

I honestly expected the bolts to be bigger. Amazing that maybe a meter of thread (with all the bolts) at that thickness will secure tons of weight with very dynamic forces put on it.

Abe Swells - 6 years ago

Keel bolts are not the only elements you should worry about in that area of the hull.
There is an elastomer keel joint there also whose integrity guarantees watertightness.
As you can imagine, that seal joint is squeezed and subject to great stress.
If the keel has not been dropped in 26 years, then chances are the seal in there is in pretty bad shape.
It is recommended to drop the keel not only to check all the bolts, but also to replace the seal joint as well as to check the hull for micro cracks in the close vicinity of the bolt holes.
If water seeps in there because of a broken seal, it will infiltrate the FRP hull through the cracks and cause osmosis, long before you see any water get inside the boat.

z non - 6 years ago

John Christopher have you seen Yacht Worlds crash test boat? They try to demast the boat tacking in 30 knots. They replaced the pins with much smaller 6mm fiberglass pins and it still held. Eventually they had to go down to 4mm fiberglass pins before it gave.

John Christopher - 6 years ago

I’m amazed at cotter pins and how they are used all over the rigging.

Those small “pins” keeping things from coming undone.

Clay Farnet - 6 years ago

Nice bolts beautiful baby. :)

roger 53 - 6 years ago

Happy

roger 53 - 6 years ago

A very baby.

SpinDreams - 6 years ago

BTW like the Mads style thumbnail :)

Erik Christiansson - 6 years ago

SpinDreams For a little while I thought Mads had posted a day early :)

Allan Haywood - 6 years ago

Date on splash yet?

SpinDreams - 6 years ago

Not to put a downer, if one was good why not pull them all and be sure, the one you pulled was from the top part of the bilge, the other two are sunk and IIRC were under water a lot more. Also if the one you pulled has been replaced before there is no guarantee all of them have!

iain lyall - 6 years ago

yes, i think i would pull 1 more. espeacially(sp) one that had been under water. great vid still.

roderick mchardy - 6 years ago

i ageree with that,, ( not trying to tell the guy how to do what he is already doing very well ) but to me that bolt was not just good but very very good in fact it looks like new !!,, pulling that one ( why that one ? was it the easiest one to get to ? hence having already been replaced ) ) was so easy i would have been tempted to pull a few more for even more peace of mind, especially the harder ones to get to / or covered in water. anyways, well done there , he deserve a few things to go the easy way by now ..

Biana Doubt - 6 years ago

I second the motion of pulling all the Keel bolts.
Finding the one corroded one, is the overarching motivation and should motivate you to do them all, in search of it.

Congratulations on the condition of the first one and not hurting yourself pulling it or replacing it.

What a beautiful and intelligent baby !

Angelo Seghesio - 6 years ago

Emma is so cute (Emma e' troppo carina)! Ciao.

Kevin Swanson - 6 years ago

your last owner should of told you he put new keel bolts in ,i knew by how easy they came loose.

Kevin Swanson - 6 years ago

im just done the woodwork on my boat and am video documenting it, like you are, that is smart of you

RealLuckless - 6 years ago

Kevin Swanson the value of detailed log books. It is a shame that their use is not enforced with small boats really.

Greg K - 6 years ago

You cannot put a price on peace of mind. Way to look out for your family!!

sean mulligan - 6 years ago

BravO!!

Brad Larden - 6 years ago

Nice one. Glad the bolt was in as good a nick as it was.

Nev Swann - 6 years ago

Excellent outcome mate, keep up the great work guys :)

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