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It was because they were a bunch of unbathed libtards, fouling their water.
I would like to get into surfing, but dealing with the shithead locals who think they own the waves is beyond what i could tolerate. I have heard about the vandalism in Tofino that they do to other peoples vehicles, both surfers and kayakers who venture out into 'their' waves.
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Tho the orcas are too smart for that.
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The most intelligent and badass animal on planet earth.
If it wanted you dead youd be dead. Just never try and find out. Respect these amazing animals before Japan hunts and kills them all. over 1000 a year. In about 25yrs they will be mostly gone.
b) there are young orcas present (protective instinct)
OR
c) there are other predators present, such as sharks
Orcas and sharks are known to show up where seal pups are present to hunt. Many sharks often vacate the area as Orcas are known to hunt them as well.
So, realistically, best to get out of the water to live to surf and swim another day.
Edit add: Orcas have been known to protect humans, either by circling them protectively to ward off other predators, and by bringing drowning victims back up to the surface, and nudging them to encourage breathing.
We should all remember that we are in their home, and be good guests. Orcas are beautiful, amazing creatures and should only be in captivity for rehabilitation on a short term basis.
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Shit video.
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why would anyone surf there at that moment
I tell you I'm not reading anything you say yet you still keep talking... lol keep talking to yourself. Or maybe get off the internet and do something productive with your life? It's sad. BYEEE
K. Honestly don't care enough to read your paragraph trying your hardest to "insult" me lol. Anyway, YouTube back and forth BS is pointless, and you have too much time on your hands. Have a good night!
you're bringing up other planets? LOL irrelevant. Stop digging for validation. My point still stands
you're right
"You're" pretty sure? Yes....by all means assume everything's fine.
they sould be banned from these area to protect the whales .
1. There is nothing dubious about the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institute, Scripps Institute, Stanford Unviersity's Hopkins Marine Station, as well as Dr. Paul Spong's OrcaLab research station as well as Dr Ingrid Visser's Orca Research Trust.
Having interned at Woods Hole in the 1980s along with Long Island's Okeanos marine research foundation, I don't need wikipedia when i can go right to the foremost institutes for marine research.
I suggest you look them up, then get back to me about "dubious sources".
2. And no, Orca's in captivity have not attacked people because of "smaller brains". I never said such a thing. You said it.
This was my original quote, which you then snipped and incorrectly tried to twist
here is what i said
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"And Orcas do not attack humans in the wild, because of their brain size, intelligence relative to the mass of critical brain parts dealing with intelligence, and their ability to make emotional, or intelligence based decisions."
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you then quoted me as saying ""...Orcas do not attack humans in the wild because of their brain size..." This is preposterous. So Orcas in captivity that have attacked humans have or had smaller brains?"
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it is cute the way you left out that my reference was to their intelligence, by snipping away the part of merely the brain size. Pretty telling why you did that.
and the FACT is that Orca's in captivity attack humans, PRECISELY because their brains are so large and complex and because of these highly evolved brains, they are so intelligent and emotional, that they go CRAZY spending their life in a bath tub....and it is to the eternal credit of their large brains and ability for complex thought and emotional reasoning, that they have not torn hundreds of human captors to pieces at Sea World or other places far more often over the past 50 years of captive whale programs.
Really quite simple.
Try reading some actual research before you open your mouth next time.
I am willing to bet there is not a single documented case of such an incident occurring.
Besides, not all orcas hunt seals. There are 2 general groups of orca here, resident and migratory with ,I believe, the resident having a strictly salmon diet whereas the migratory eat seals. these could just be resident whales playing. Whales do like to play.
1. We can reduce it to the common denomiantor, which is that you simply are incorrect about sharks visual acuity at close range.
There is absolutely no, debate, as you erroneously claim ""Ampullae of Lorenzini" is a subject of much contention among scientists in terms of it's application, utility, and hence its usefulness."
there is ZERO debate about its utility and usefulness. They are special electro receptors which form the basis for the majority of the sharks detection functions.
To say otherwise is preposterous, not to mention, extremely ignorant.
Unless of course you dont think that sensing electrical fields is important to sharks, their navigation, their hunting.
Your assertions are becoming more ignorant with each post, so please just stop.
2. A Shark, if hungry enough, will in fact eat just about any living thing, not to mention things that are not biological, which it may regurgitate later, or not, depending on the effect on the shark.
3. "The second and more important of your responses as to why Orcas don't engage in this behavior might stretch scientific imagination."
No it would not. Orcas have among the largest brain on the planet and are one of the most emotionally and intellectually evolved animals, even to the point of having different dialects among groups, thus different groups of orcas do in fact even have distinct "cultures"
4. "Are you claiming that Orcas don't attack humans because they have bigger brains than sharks do?"
No, I am claiming they do not because their big brains are so complex and developed and they have discerned what they like to eat, and what they will NOT eat, possibly for altruistic reasons.
The size of an Orca's brain and its complexity are a known fact.
Orca's will attack other whales, dolphins, porpoises and marine mammals (along with numerous other prey items)
Yet they have never attacked a human in the wild....and it is a pretty obvious reason why.
Their brains are large enough and compelx enough for them to make complex decisions about their relationship to humans as potential prey, and actively selecting NOT to attack humans as either food, or for malice
5. "Or perhaps the opposite, sharks attack humans because they lack a brain of sufficient size. "
Sharks attacks humans because their brain is so small, that they do not differentiate, except when it comes to tasting if something is what theyd like to eat or not.
Sharks have zero ability to make an "educated" decision, that an Orca.
This is because of the size and ability of their brain.
6. " Either way, this is really off base. If brain size was the only variable dictating this behavior, then squirrels would be feasting on humans"
Actually, it is not. More squirrels have attacked humans than Orcas. Squirrels bite humans quite regularly.
Obviously brain size and complexity (which corresponds with brain size) are determining factors when an animal of any type, decides what it will and will not attack.
A squirrel is a vegetarian creature,but it will resort to eating meat (eggs and insects) when desperate, as such it would not feast on humans if it did not have to, but a snake with a brain as small as a squirrel, most certainly has fed on humans....unless you dont think anacondas have .
And a squirrel does not have to feast on a human, but it could certainly attack a human, and they have in fact....for a variety of reasons, none of them predatory. The only thing that stops them doing it more aggressively is their small size and lack of need to.
7. "and even if we account for proportion of brain to body size, the logic just doesn't hold up to a reasonable analysis."
Actually, it does. Crocodiles have tiny brains so do alligators and they will attack humans. Numerous animals have tiny brains and will attack humans for eitehr defense, or consumption, and, in fact, if squirrels were the size of sheep, and hungry enough they would attack humans far mroe often.
8. "Brain size doesn't necessarily correlate with intelligence,"
Um, yes it does. While the sheer size does of the brain alone does not correlate, the larger the brain, the larger the critical areas of the brain dealing with intelligence and emotion will be.
the fact that Orcas brains are positively massive and contain more frontal lobe volume and grey matter volume, is precisely why they are so much smarter than Sharks.
9. "predatory motives, or any intentions ascribed to either a shark or an orca or ill-intentioned adults for that matter. "
Yes it does. An animal with a larger, more complex brain and emotional system is capable of far greater decision making across all specters than a tiny brained creature.
10. All this can be concluded anyway with the simple fact that your assertions about sharks visual acuity, and the function of the Ampullae of Lorenizini are totally wrong and grossly misunderstood on your part and incorrect and you cannot simply admit that.
The Ampullae of Lorenzini are absolutely critical to shark behavior and survival.
So stop posturing and admit you were wrong and had zero clue about it. Go read up on it.
And Orcas do not attack humans in the wild, because of their brain size, intelligence relative to the mass of critical brain parts dealing with intelligence, and their ability to make emotional, or intelligence based decisions.
Sharks simply do not have that capacity at all. Sharks are driven by a small brained, prehistoric drive focused on three things: feeding, swimming and mating. They do not make intelligence based decisions.
Regarding the statements concerning your interpretation of logic as in when you responded with, "Of course they do...they enlist anything that's biological as edible..." Not sure how this helps or hinder the fundamental premise--which is that there was a clear distinction between the behavior of one over the other. Namely, that sharks eat any living thing, including humans...by your own standard and definition.
The second and more important of your responses as to why Orcas don't engage in this behavior might stretch scientific imagination. Are you claiming that Orcas don't attack humans because they have bigger brains than sharks do? Or perhaps the opposite, sharks attack humans because they lack a brain of sufficient size. Either way, this is really off base. If brain size was the only variable dictating this behavior, then squirrels would be feasting on humans...and even if we account for proportion of brain to body size, the logic just doesn't hold up to a reasonable analysis. While having more cerebral matter may sound like an answer to such a question, it simply isn't the case. Brain size doesn't necessarily correlate with intelligence, predatory motives, or any intentions ascribed to either a shark or an orca or ill-intentioned adults for that matter. But let's not go down that rabbit hole because as I mentioned before, we went off on a tangent twice already. The answer isn't known as to why one does and one doesn't. But I suspect fancy terms such as "Ampullae of Lorenzini" will pop up to explain this as well.
That is preposterous...their "nose area" as you so generally put it, is only sensitive because of The Ampullae of Lorenzini, which are most certainly not at their most effective when something is only six inches from their mouth. when something is 6 inches from their mouth, they are visual predators, and use their mouths for attacking or investigating.
The importance of the ampullae of lornzini (in the snout) and the lateral line (along the sides of the body) are most effective when being OUT of visual range, to detect at ranges far out of sight and guide the shark in, where its vision then comes in to account.
What you said is completely wrong:
"but it's most useful application is to allow the shark to sense it's surroundings when something is within six inches from it's mouth as it can't see once something is within this range. "
This is preposterous and incorrect. when something is 6 inches away from the shark, it is using its VISION to continue the attack, since it is now in VISUAL Range.
"Sharks definitely enlist humans as edible. "
Of course they do. They enlist virtually anything that is biological as edible.
" For whatever reason, Orcas have a different assessment as to what we mean to them. "
Pretty obvious what the reason is:
They have a giant brian wheras sharks have a tiny one.
I understand what you are trying to say, but it is completely offbase.
on the topic of sharks visual acuity, and how it relates to the Ampullae of Lorenzini (those numerous small holes you see in a sharks snout underside) as well as the lateral line, and how they all tie in to close range predation, you are in fact, very misinformed.
I'd agree to a certain extent, except for the fact that most sharks who attack humans, do so when there is no presence of human blood in the water.
After a great white shark (for example) has identified potential prey at a distance, with its sensory detection abilities, like electrical impulse/motion sensation, which it does in the majority of cases, when it then closes the distance to investigate the source, does in fact become a visual predator when prey items come in to visual range.
In most of the attacks by great white sharks for example, on humans, there is rarely ever any evidence to suggest that humans were bleeding, to attract the shark...
and a shark cannot detect a humans "blood type", unless the human is in fact, bleeding.
There is a very good reason why most shark attacks on humans, primarily involve massive debilitating, single or double bites, to the humans legs and lower torso as a primary target area....because as a general hunting strategy, when they attack seals, dolphins, tuna and other marine mammals, a bite to the hindquarters, is a bite that is done to wound severely and that debilitates and incapacitates the preys ability to move as quickly....and also causes the prey to bleed it, while the Shark loiters at a distance, and waits for the prey to go in to shock, and loss energy due to blood loss, also, to avoid wounded prey with sharp teeth from potentially injuring the shark as the prey fights to survive.
They do not always hit the legs obviously, but as a strategy, neutralizing and immobilizing the prey is their first priority.
There is absolutely conclusive proof, due to great white shark predatory event study, that the majority of attacks by great whites at the surface, involve an extremely fast, strike from below, or below and to the side, with the Shark rising quickly from medium depth, once it has identified its possible prey silhouette at the surface, by "looking up" from its patrolling depth. Once visual identification is made, the shark swims quickly to the surface to attack.
Chris Fallows, and other researches have proven this particular type of visual hunting strategy conclusively in South Africa, through study of both natural predations on cape fur seals, as well as attacks on towed seal shaped decoys, as well as other non-seal shaped decoys, such as surf boards, and fake human silhouettes.
A shark can only smell blood, if blood from the prey, or potential prey, is actually in the water.
yes she is a brilliant lady...go to her youtube channel and you can see lots more of her. She has also written many extensive research studies, that i highly recommend that can be found on her website :)
Oh I love her! She's so cool! I recently watch a video with her in it!
Well i dont understand what we are talking about then, since i agree they should not be messing around in the water at the same time....though my point was, that orcas, even when seeing humans dressed like seals, know the difference :)
Incidentally, if you want to see something amazing, search for Dr. Ingrid Visser, of New Zealnd....one of the foremost researchers on Orcas in the world. She swims with a pod of orcas that she has been studying for years, and does so regularly, dressed as a seal ;)
They are very familiar with her, they also know her since she has helped save a member or tow of those particular pods in teh area, from stranding.
She is quite an amazing woman. Has her own channel on YT, with quite a few videos and she has made many amazing documentaries about orcas.
:)
true, but there are not any instances of wild orcas actually playing with humans even...they tend to avoid humans, exhibiting only curiosity.
Well fortunately, orcas are far smarter than sharks and they can differentiate between seals and humans.
SurrealFor what ever reason the masters of the oceans have some what respect for humans
Scientists have an explanation actually. Humans are full of toxins. The Orcas do not have to take a bite to know this...it oozes from our pores while in the water. We probably smell like garbage to them.
Like a spidy sense or something
I read the coroner's report on Dawn. We must have saw two different things because from what I've gathered, her arm was never recovered. But that's irrelevant since I'm sure Tilikum didn't eat it for nutritional purposes.
Even the ones that eat fish like the Southern Resident Killer Whales of Puget Sound dine on only the fattest Chinook salmon, even if it means allowing an entire school of skinnier salmon to swim by. Transient orcas, which have a broader diet, have shown similar selective behavior, in one case killing a gray whale but eating only its tongue."
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Her arm was ripped off in the attack as was her scalp but the Coroner’s Report is clear that Ms. Brancheau’s entire body, including her arm was recovered.
My personal feeling is that anything that kills and feeds on the tongues of baby whales,that can catch and eat dolphins,that partially beach themselves to hunt seals and kills sharks just for their livers isn't anything is want to be in the water with.
Actually orcas wouldn't probably kill humans to eat them. For example when they kill a humpback whale, they might just eat the tongue and some soft nice parts and leave the rest. There wouldn't be very much to eat in a human being for an orca.
they have in Sea World !
Just reasoned responses based on well-documented evidence.
Orcas have mistaken surfers for seals/sea lions in the past.
They can tell the difference; they have sonar.
You wouldn't mistake a cat for a Scotsman if it was wearing a kilt!
most people can't even tell between Transient Killer whales and Resident killer whales, that mostly hunt fish, and are used in huge aquatic theme parks.